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>You know, this is a pretty apt analogy. Disagree wholeheartedly. It definitely has "hints" of Vista band-aid rips in the same way that shit like La Croix has

>You know, this is a pretty apt analogy. Disagree wholeheartedly. It definitely has "hints" of Vista band-aid rips in the same way that shit like La Croix has "hints" of flavor but Vista was one of the worst OS releases I ever had the pleasure of being part of, only behind Windows ME. It took Vista a really long time to be a stable, fully-usable OS and, while I'm glad for the steps they took with it, their execution was terrible. On top of that, this is completely due to the user.

mynameisvlad 7y ago
> On top of that, this is completely due to the user. What? All the user did was install Catalina and leave it alone for a few hours. How is this all "due to the user"?
- dpkonofa 7y ago
  Because, in this particular case, the user was using software (Alfred 3) that he knew wasn't going to work right on Catalina prior to upgrading it. Newer versions of Alfred exist that support the newer permissions model in Catalina. He knew that version wasn't fully compatible with Catalina and chose to install it anyways. A normal user isn't going to get that.
  - mynameisvlad 7y ago
    Uh, okay. Now explain all the other software requesting permissions: - Acorn - HazelHelper - Plex Media Server - Keyboard Maestro - Parallels Access - Bartender 3 - Arq Agent - Nextcloud - Tweetbot - 1Password - Spark - Drafts - OmniFocus - Dash - Bear - iCloud If you have dozens of apps asking for permission, then you need to have a better system of displaying those requests than one off popups/notifications. This is not on the user. Don't victim blame. This is what any other person upgrading would see, maybe not to the same extent but I'm not sure it'd be that far off.
    - dpkonofa 7y ago
      Except that's not true at all unless every single one of these is an old version of the software that hasn't been updated since High Sierra. Any app that was developed using the sandboxing paradigm from High Sierra (and nearly every app in that list has been updated to support this) would not need to ask for all those permissions. This would not be common for the vast majority of users and it's only caused by someone explicitly ignoring warnings and notices. It may be a little more common for power users but the average user may get 1 or 2 of those prompts and nothing more. The OP is only in the situation they're in because they either upgraded the OS without updating the individual apps or they purposely ignored a prior prompt to give access.
      - mynameisvlad 7y ago
        Did you actually look at the article you're replying to? I literally took the screenshot that was posted and enumerated every application asking for permissions. If it happened to them, it'll happen to many, many users. Especially if those apps are updating outside of MAS.
        dpkonofa 7y ago
        >every application asking for permissions Only every outdated application asking for permissions. The author of that post already explained why he was getting so many of those prompts. He admitted that it probably wasn't reflective of what the typical install will look like specifically because he was purposely using older versions of software.

mynameisvlad 7y ago

> On top of that, this is completely due to the user. What? All the user did was install Catalina and leave it alone for a few hours. How is this all "due to the user"?

dpkonofa 7y ago
Because, in this particular case, the user was using software (Alfred 3) that he knew wasn't going to work right on Catalina prior to upgrading it. Newer versions of Alfred exist that support the newer permissions model in Catalina. He knew that version wasn't fully compatible with Catalina and chose to install it anyways. A normal user isn't going to get that.
- mynameisvlad 7y ago
  Uh, okay. Now explain all the other software requesting permissions: - Acorn - HazelHelper - Plex Media Server - Keyboard Maestro - Parallels Access - Bartender 3 - Arq Agent - Nextcloud - Tweetbot - 1Password - Spark - Drafts - OmniFocus - Dash - Bear - iCloud If you have dozens of apps asking for permission, then you need to have a better system of displaying those requests than one off popups/notifications. This is not on the user. Don't victim blame. This is what any other person upgrading would see, maybe not to the same extent but I'm not sure it'd be that far off.
  - dpkonofa 7y ago
    Except that's not true at all unless every single one of these is an old version of the software that hasn't been updated since High Sierra. Any app that was developed using the sandboxing paradigm from High Sierra (and nearly every app in that list has been updated to support this) would not need to ask for all those permissions. This would not be common for the vast majority of users and it's only caused by someone explicitly ignoring warnings and notices. It may be a little more common for power users but the average user may get 1 or 2 of those prompts and nothing more. The OP is only in the situation they're in because they either upgraded the OS without updating the individual apps or they purposely ignored a prior prompt to give access.
    - mynameisvlad 7y ago
      Did you actually look at the article you're replying to? I literally took the screenshot that was posted and enumerated every application asking for permissions. If it happened to them, it'll happen to many, many users. Especially if those apps are updating outside of MAS.
      - dpkonofa 7y ago
        >every application asking for permissions Only every outdated application asking for permissions. The author of that post already explained why he was getting so many of those prompts. He admitted that it probably wasn't reflective of what the typical install will look like specifically because he was purposely using older versions of software.