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Keep in mind that Automattic is a remote company. Maybe $25 per hour won't attract local talent from silicon valley, but there's a huge global market of talent

Keep in mind that Automattic is a remote company. Maybe $25 per hour won't attract local talent from silicon valley, but there's a huge global market of talented engineers that would happily apply to work remote at a company like Automattic.

impatientduck 7y ago
I guess, but then how are developers in first world countries supposed to pay the rent? If a company wants to source all their developers from third world countries maybe they shouldn't be allowed to list their stock in first world exchanges. Seems fair, no?
- xyzzyz 7y ago
  They can take some other job which will presumably pay more? Nobody's forcing them to work for $25/hour.
  - impatientduck 7y ago
    Except if we outsource all the jobs...Likewise, no one would be forcing Automattic to list on a first world exchange - there are many other ones where they could be free to float their stock. How come all's fair for labor, but not for capital?
    - cutler 7y ago
      Exactly. In the long game remote = outsourcing = race to the bottom. Marx saw it coming a long time ago.
- dimitar 7y ago
  Not at all - both sides benefit from trade. And also 3rd world investors buy a big part of that stock (including a part of my savings). AFAIK developers in the first world still get better than the average salaries.
- fsloth 7y ago
  In Finland 25$ per hour would be way higher than average wage. Finland is very much a first world country.
- RobertKerans 7y ago
  Looking at the current exchange rates, I don't earn a huge amount more than this, and I have a mortgage, support my partner and child financially, and live very comfortably in a city in a first world country. Admittedly one with non-insane healthcare, and not in a capital city/city where house prices are sky high, but still.
MuffinFlavored 7y ago
I don't know any developer who is excited to work for less than $40k/yr on the absolute lowest, closer to $60k/yr. Let me do the math.. Oh wow, I didn't realize that $60k/yr is $28/hr. I guess this does make sense after all...
- Cerium 7y ago
  At 40 hours per week, 50 weeks per year, hourly times 2 is yearly in kilobucks. Eg: $10/hr is 20k/year.
  - MuffinFlavored 7y ago
    For anybody else: $10/hr = $20k/yr $20/hr = $40k/yr $30/hr = $60k/yr $40/hr = $80k/yr $50/hr = $100k/yr $60/hr = $120k/yr $70/hr = $140k/yr $80/hr = $160k/yr $90/hr = $180k/yr $100/hr = $200k/yr $110/hr = $220k/yr $120/hr = $240k/yr $130/hr = $260k/yr $140/hr = $280k/yr $150/hr = $300k/yr $160/hr = $320k/yr $170/hr = $340k/yr $180/hr = $360k/yr $190/hr = $390k/yr $200/hr = $400k/yr
    - lightwin 7y ago
      Basically, there are about 2000 working hours in a year, so multiply the hourly rate to 2000. :)
- arczyx 7y ago
  >I don't know any developer who is excited to work for less than $40k/yr on the absolute lowest In my country, $40k/year is a super high salary, even the average senior developer wouldn't make that much.
  - cutler 7y ago
    This can be a problem with remote working. It's fine if you live where accommodation is cheap but if you're earning the same money living in a metropolis it doesn't add up.
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impatientduck 7y ago

I guess, but then how are developers in first world countries supposed to pay the rent? If a company wants to source all their developers from third world countries maybe they shouldn't be allowed to list their stock in first world exchanges. Seems fair, no?

xyzzyz 7y ago
They can take some other job which will presumably pay more? Nobody's forcing them to work for $25/hour.
- impatientduck 7y ago
  Except if we outsource all the jobs...Likewise, no one would be forcing Automattic to list on a first world exchange - there are many other ones where they could be free to float their stock. How come all's fair for labor, but not for capital?
  - cutler 7y ago
    Exactly. In the long game remote = outsourcing = race to the bottom. Marx saw it coming a long time ago.
dimitar 7y ago
Not at all - both sides benefit from trade. And also 3rd world investors buy a big part of that stock (including a part of my savings). AFAIK developers in the first world still get better than the average salaries.
fsloth 7y ago
In Finland 25$ per hour would be way higher than average wage. Finland is very much a first world country.
RobertKerans 7y ago
Looking at the current exchange rates, I don't earn a huge amount more than this, and I have a mortgage, support my partner and child financially, and live very comfortably in a city in a first world country. Admittedly one with non-insane healthcare, and not in a capital city/city where house prices are sky high, but still.

MuffinFlavored 7y ago

I don't know any developer who is excited to work for less than $40k/yr on the absolute lowest, closer to $60k/yr. Let me do the math.. Oh wow, I didn't realize that $60k/yr is $28/hr. I guess this does make sense after all...

Cerium 7y ago
At 40 hours per week, 50 weeks per year, hourly times 2 is yearly in kilobucks. Eg: $10/hr is 20k/year.
- MuffinFlavored 7y ago
  For anybody else: $10/hr = $20k/yr $20/hr = $40k/yr $30/hr = $60k/yr $40/hr = $80k/yr $50/hr = $100k/yr $60/hr = $120k/yr $70/hr = $140k/yr $80/hr = $160k/yr $90/hr = $180k/yr $100/hr = $200k/yr $110/hr = $220k/yr $120/hr = $240k/yr $130/hr = $260k/yr $140/hr = $280k/yr $150/hr = $300k/yr $160/hr = $320k/yr $170/hr = $340k/yr $180/hr = $360k/yr $190/hr = $390k/yr $200/hr = $400k/yr
  - lightwin 7y ago
    Basically, there are about 2000 working hours in a year, so multiply the hourly rate to 2000. :)
arczyx 7y ago
>I don't know any developer who is excited to work for less than $40k/yr on the absolute lowest In my country, $40k/year is a super high salary, even the average senior developer wouldn't make that much.
- cutler 7y ago
  This can be a problem with remote working. It's fine if you live where accommodation is cheap but if you're earning the same money living in a metropolis it doesn't add up.

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