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The solution is quite simple: mind your own business. Let time and history to tell. China never send army or CIA to overthrow other countries. If the other side

The solution is quite simple: mind your own business. Let time and history to tell. China never send army or CIA to overthrow other countries. If the other side don't want to do the business that's fine. Westerner like to spread their values, often with force.

Qub3d 7y ago
Given the name, age, and almost hilariously stereotypical grammatical errors, I can only assume you are at best a troll and at worst some sort of astroturfer or Chinese national. China has absolutely used state power to affect foreign states. Consider all the infrastructure projects funded by Chinese money in Africa[0] and consider what the ultimate motive is. [0]:https://qz.com/africa/1326618/china-is-building-expensive-roads-in-uganda/ https://qz.com/africa/1326618/china-is-building-expensive-ro...
- Sag0Sag0 7y ago
  One one hand you are right. On the other hand state sponsored infrastructure projects are far less dramatically wrong than state sponsored coups. And the US has initiated lots of coups over the years, much more than China.
- throwawy4trueth 7y ago
  Assume your imagination is correct, can you argue with which part is false instead of who I am and what motive is? The way you draw your conclusion reflects some interesting information. [edit]: Thanks for the link. It seems China is building infrastructure for other countries. Of cause it's not free but it's better than bombing other countries in the name of promoting value of freedom. A lot of people from victim countries see the bombers as evil but I think they(bombers) are just cult believer consider themselves liberators.
  - kcanini 7y ago
    What sort of infrastructure is China building in Xinjiang?
    - majia 7y ago
      Roads, bridges, forests, power grids, water pipelines, solar farms, as well as indoctrination camps and mass surveillance network.
  - Qub3d 7y ago
    Hmm... Let me try and state my concerns in a less-inflammatory manner. First, I apologize for the curt parent comment. I slipped from the argument dangerously close to an attack against you, as a person. That is not okay in any circumstance, and I am sorry I stooped so low. I suppose I should explain my point of view here. I am not a fan of the United States' foreign policy history, especially state-sponsored coups. I just found your statement: > China never send army or CIA to overthrow other countries. Incorrect given the information I have access to. All world powers, including China, have and continue to practice "soft colonialism", or Neocolonialism. The infrastructure projects in Africa were meant to serve as a common example of this occurring. Here's a more concise example from the EN wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism#China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism#China Note that this does not clear the U.S. or western powers of wrongdoing. In the last line of the above link, it points this out quite explicitly. This makes more sense, then, when we look at the context of this comment, which is the growing concern in the light of the Hong Kong protests across the world with how the Chinese Government (not people) is seeking to change outside cultures to be more palatable to their official ideals.
- dang 7y ago
  Please read the site guidelines. Your comment has broken them badly: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > at worst some sort of astroturfer or Chinese national That's a slur. Did you really mean it that way? Chinese people, and people with a China-related background, are welcome here. What sort of site would this be if they weren't? People whose first language isn't English are welcome here too. Please don't use HN to attack people who are foreign to you. It's deeply against the values we're trying to practice here.
  - Qub3d 7y ago
    Apologies, I can't edit the above comment any more, but if I could I would amend it. My original statement is not intended to be against a Chinese person, but the Chinese Communist Apparatus as it currently stands. I believe healthy suspicion of sudden "devil's advocates" on topics regarding state activities is more important than ever given the alarming trend of governments world-wide using clandestine "grass roots" attacks against free narratives. I should have left out the final bit to place emphasis on suspicion that the grandparent comment came off as state-sponsored. Then again from reading the guidelines, I shouldn't have gone with the first sentence at all. Sorry. [Edit] for posterity, I tried to clear things up in a later reply: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199273 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199273
    - dang 7y ago
      It's ok—honest mistakes are no problem here.
      - Qub3d 7y ago
        I appreciate you guys taking such a hands-on approach. It helped me bite my tongue and remember the human.
plandis 7y ago
“Mind your own business” the Chinese say while simultaneously getting upset when an individual in their individual capacity says something on an American website banned in China. Is irony not a thing in China?
- baq 7y ago
  Posting a picture of Winnie the Pooh gets you jail time in that country, so irony is reduced to things made of metal. They read 1984 and treated is as a manual instead of a warning.
- throwawy4trueth 7y ago
  That's not valid argument. The ban is a response to an individual not minding his business but China business. If the indificual say something about himself, your are right. Can you get it?
  - swsieber 7y ago
    But the Chinese government only gets upset if some says something they don't like. If they say something positive, there's no issue. And when they get upset, they lash out. Tyrant, bully, abusive - there are many terms for that sort of relationship. Is it any wonder that someone is upset about it, and advocating that the U.S. gets out of it?
    - jimclegg 7y ago
      Now we knows what this feels like... We had a lot of sanction happy presidents and the American population barely bat an eye-lid as millions died from the fallout. Only thing lost in this case is money, so far.

Qub3d 7y ago

Given the name, age, and almost hilariously stereotypical grammatical errors, I can only assume you are at best a troll and at worst some sort of astroturfer or Chinese national. China has absolutely used state power to affect foreign states. Consider all the infrastructure projects funded by Chinese money in Africa[0] and consider what the ultimate motive is. [0]:https://qz.com/africa/1326618/china-is-building-expensive-roads-in-uganda/ https://qz.com/africa/1326618/china-is-building-expensive-ro...

Sag0Sag0 7y ago
One one hand you are right. On the other hand state sponsored infrastructure projects are far less dramatically wrong than state sponsored coups. And the US has initiated lots of coups over the years, much more than China.
throwawy4trueth 7y ago
Assume your imagination is correct, can you argue with which part is false instead of who I am and what motive is? The way you draw your conclusion reflects some interesting information. [edit]: Thanks for the link. It seems China is building infrastructure for other countries. Of cause it's not free but it's better than bombing other countries in the name of promoting value of freedom. A lot of people from victim countries see the bombers as evil but I think they(bombers) are just cult believer consider themselves liberators.
- kcanini 7y ago
  What sort of infrastructure is China building in Xinjiang?
  - majia 7y ago
    Roads, bridges, forests, power grids, water pipelines, solar farms, as well as indoctrination camps and mass surveillance network.
- Qub3d 7y ago
  Hmm... Let me try and state my concerns in a less-inflammatory manner. First, I apologize for the curt parent comment. I slipped from the argument dangerously close to an attack against you, as a person. That is not okay in any circumstance, and I am sorry I stooped so low. I suppose I should explain my point of view here. I am not a fan of the United States' foreign policy history, especially state-sponsored coups. I just found your statement: > China never send army or CIA to overthrow other countries. Incorrect given the information I have access to. All world powers, including China, have and continue to practice "soft colonialism", or Neocolonialism. The infrastructure projects in Africa were meant to serve as a common example of this occurring. Here's a more concise example from the EN wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism#China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism#China Note that this does not clear the U.S. or western powers of wrongdoing. In the last line of the above link, it points this out quite explicitly. This makes more sense, then, when we look at the context of this comment, which is the growing concern in the light of the Hong Kong protests across the world with how the Chinese Government (not people) is seeking to change outside cultures to be more palatable to their official ideals.
dang 7y ago
Please read the site guidelines. Your comment has broken them badly: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > at worst some sort of astroturfer or Chinese national That's a slur. Did you really mean it that way? Chinese people, and people with a China-related background, are welcome here. What sort of site would this be if they weren't? People whose first language isn't English are welcome here too. Please don't use HN to attack people who are foreign to you. It's deeply against the values we're trying to practice here.
- Qub3d 7y ago
  Apologies, I can't edit the above comment any more, but if I could I would amend it. My original statement is not intended to be against a Chinese person, but the Chinese Communist Apparatus as it currently stands. I believe healthy suspicion of sudden "devil's advocates" on topics regarding state activities is more important than ever given the alarming trend of governments world-wide using clandestine "grass roots" attacks against free narratives. I should have left out the final bit to place emphasis on suspicion that the grandparent comment came off as state-sponsored. Then again from reading the guidelines, I shouldn't have gone with the first sentence at all. Sorry. [Edit] for posterity, I tried to clear things up in a later reply: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199273 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199273
  - dang 7y ago
    It's ok—honest mistakes are no problem here.
    - Qub3d 7y ago
      I appreciate you guys taking such a hands-on approach. It helped me bite my tongue and remember the human.

plandis 7y ago

“Mind your own business” the Chinese say while simultaneously getting upset when an individual in their individual capacity says something on an American website banned in China. Is irony not a thing in China?

baq 7y ago
Posting a picture of Winnie the Pooh gets you jail time in that country, so irony is reduced to things made of metal. They read 1984 and treated is as a manual instead of a warning.
throwawy4trueth 7y ago
That's not valid argument. The ban is a response to an individual not minding his business but China business. If the indificual say something about himself, your are right. Can you get it?
- swsieber 7y ago
  But the Chinese government only gets upset if some says something they don't like. If they say something positive, there's no issue. And when they get upset, they lash out. Tyrant, bully, abusive - there are many terms for that sort of relationship. Is it any wonder that someone is upset about it, and advocating that the U.S. gets out of it?
  - jimclegg 7y ago
    Now we knows what this feels like... We had a lot of sanction happy presidents and the American population barely bat an eye-lid as millions died from the fallout. Only thing lost in this case is money, so far.