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Anti-China propaganda machinery is in full force today. So many anti-China propaganda articles in a technical news site. This isn't what I was expecting when I

Anti-China propaganda machinery is in full force today. So many anti-China propaganda articles in a technical news site. This isn't what I was expecting when I joined Hacker News. I was expecting to see Hacker news, not this rubbish that has littered the front page today. I am even ready to be removed from this site today. I am not even Chinese. I have never visited China but I am able to see anti-China bullshit that is happening on this site.

luckylion 7y ago
I don't believe that it's actual propaganda, it looks more like a) people being honestly upset about behavior, b) self-marketing folks jumping on the opportunity to strongly condemn whatever is en vogue to condemn c) that becoming a bit of a self-propelling force. I agree that the tenths article on the same topic that doesn't really add new information and produces largely identical comments isn't too interesting, but I don't believe that it's coordinated in any way. People like outrage, and they like to signal to each other that they are part of the same group, so they upvote and comment "I too am outraged". And then there's just the randomness of the NBA, South Park and Blizzard happening yesterday/today, had those happened a week apart, it would have looked differently. StackOverflow's PR disaster that unfolded over the last two weeks or so was similar in amount, but it was stretched over 10 days so there would only be one or two posts on the front page (granted: they did get flagged down and/or were removed by mods more quickly than the topics about China, possibly because there's more flame-war-potential in StackOverflow's actions than in "The West's" reaction to Chinese outrage).
Aaronstotle 7y ago
How is this anti China propaganda? These are legitimate complaints that haven't been properly addressed nor called out for years.
- madiathomas 7y ago
  One-sided complaints? When we point out millions of people which were murdered by US, we are downvoted and suppressed because we are a minority on this US-dominated website. I am seriously fed-up with the bullshit spread on this site. You can remove some of us and continue to discuss rubbish pro-US drivel. If there is a way to report users, please do me a favour by reporting my account. I want to get out of this rubbish website today.
  - takamh 7y ago
    I feel the same way that the quality of discussion here has declined significantly and even as an American I'm tired of politicizing everything in a pro-US light. Do you have any recommendations for alternative sources of tech news?
  - madiathomas 7y ago
    Unfortunately I don't know a website which is as good as Hacker News when coming to technical news. I wish there was a Hacker News site without politics.
- throwawy4trueth 7y ago
  Not really propaganda. It's real reaction from large portion of people. But the belief of mass is not always right. Iraq was destroyed not only because of WMD as a lie but the biggest factor is that Westners as human rights activits collectively supported their government based on the belief that they own truth and have "moral responsibilty" meaning they are the judge but not god to decide other peoples fate by liberate them from evil human right abuser i.e. Saddam and Gaddafi. They are able to do that because western countries have more bombs while the "evils" can not defend themselves. In today's world, Hitler doesn't create threat because it's obvious wrong and will be easily destroyed. The real threat is mobs of human activists that believe they stand on a high moral ground. They are more deceptive. They create chaos around the world. They show no remorse for the suffer of Iraq and Libya people because they don't think they cause the disaster. Blaming the lie of WMD is another lie. The Western people collectively supported their countries to bomb Iraq and Libya that evetually created the chaos and disaster. That's the real root cause. Human rights and democracy is the last cult in the world after communism collapse. I'm not saying HR and democracy themselvs are bad. But because the believers have done a lot of damages without knowing it's their crime that cause millions of death. The stupidity of mordem human only recognizes direct killing as a crime but never admit bigger scale crime indirectly caused by their "good" intention
dang 7y ago
You're probably looking at this from outside the mainstream Western perspective which is, for demographic reasons, inevitably the majority view here. I've posted a ton about this today. Perhaps it would help to review some of those posts: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21200971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21200971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195089 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195089 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898 More comments on this at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20western%20chin&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que....
- sillysaurusx 7y ago
  Hi Dan. Is it okay for me to post? It's been about a year. I've tried asking through official channels for a couple months, so I thought I'd ask casually here. I don't care about my old accounts. This one is fine.
  - sillysaurusx 7y ago
    I apologize for some of my past behavior. It was unfair towards you. I see where you're coming from with respect to community cohesion and some of the tough decisions you have to make. I have no interest in causing friction. I am here to nerd out about AI and Lumen. E.g. https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1169798426088939520 https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1169798426088939520

luckylion 7y ago

I don't believe that it's actual propaganda, it looks more like a) people being honestly upset about behavior, b) self-marketing folks jumping on the opportunity to strongly condemn whatever is en vogue to condemn c) that becoming a bit of a self-propelling force. I agree that the tenths article on the same topic that doesn't really add new information and produces largely identical comments isn't too interesting, but I don't believe that it's coordinated in any way. People like outrage, and they like to signal to each other that they are part of the same group, so they upvote and comment "I too am outraged". And then there's just the randomness of the NBA, South Park and Blizzard happening yesterday/today, had those happened a week apart, it would have looked differently. StackOverflow's PR disaster that unfolded over the last two weeks or so was similar in amount, but it was stretched over 10 days so there would only be one or two posts on the front page (granted: they did get flagged down and/or were removed by mods more quickly than the topics about China, possibly because there's more flame-war-potential in StackOverflow's actions than in "The West's" reaction to Chinese outrage).

Aaronstotle 7y ago

How is this anti China propaganda? These are legitimate complaints that haven't been properly addressed nor called out for years.

madiathomas 7y ago
One-sided complaints? When we point out millions of people which were murdered by US, we are downvoted and suppressed because we are a minority on this US-dominated website. I am seriously fed-up with the bullshit spread on this site. You can remove some of us and continue to discuss rubbish pro-US drivel. If there is a way to report users, please do me a favour by reporting my account. I want to get out of this rubbish website today.
- takamh 7y ago
  I feel the same way that the quality of discussion here has declined significantly and even as an American I'm tired of politicizing everything in a pro-US light. Do you have any recommendations for alternative sources of tech news?
- madiathomas 7y ago
  Unfortunately I don't know a website which is as good as Hacker News when coming to technical news. I wish there was a Hacker News site without politics.
throwawy4trueth 7y ago
Not really propaganda. It's real reaction from large portion of people. But the belief of mass is not always right. Iraq was destroyed not only because of WMD as a lie but the biggest factor is that Westners as human rights activits collectively supported their government based on the belief that they own truth and have "moral responsibilty" meaning they are the judge but not god to decide other peoples fate by liberate them from evil human right abuser i.e. Saddam and Gaddafi. They are able to do that because western countries have more bombs while the "evils" can not defend themselves. In today's world, Hitler doesn't create threat because it's obvious wrong and will be easily destroyed. The real threat is mobs of human activists that believe they stand on a high moral ground. They are more deceptive. They create chaos around the world. They show no remorse for the suffer of Iraq and Libya people because they don't think they cause the disaster. Blaming the lie of WMD is another lie. The Western people collectively supported their countries to bomb Iraq and Libya that evetually created the chaos and disaster. That's the real root cause. Human rights and democracy is the last cult in the world after communism collapse. I'm not saying HR and democracy themselvs are bad. But because the believers have done a lot of damages without knowing it's their crime that cause millions of death. The stupidity of mordem human only recognizes direct killing as a crime but never admit bigger scale crime indirectly caused by their "good" intention

dang 7y ago

You're probably looking at this from outside the mainstream Western perspective which is, for demographic reasons, inevitably the majority view here. I've posted a ton about this today. Perhaps it would help to review some of those posts: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21200971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21200971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195089 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195089 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898 More comments on this at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20western%20chin&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que....

sillysaurusx 7y ago
Hi Dan. Is it okay for me to post? It's been about a year. I've tried asking through official channels for a couple months, so I thought I'd ask casually here. I don't care about my old accounts. This one is fine.
- sillysaurusx 7y ago
  I apologize for some of my past behavior. It was unfair towards you. I see where you're coming from with respect to community cohesion and some of the tough decisions you have to make. I have no interest in causing friction. I am here to nerd out about AI and Lumen. E.g. https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1169798426088939520 https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1169798426088939520