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One thing you learn from spending time studying China is that the Chinese state has an asymmetric advantage in much better understanding the US than the US unde
by shalmanese 7y ago
One thing you learn from spending time studying China is that the Chinese state has an asymmetric advantage in much better understanding the US than the US understands China and being very good at deliberately structuring their systems and policies in a way that consistently exploits the weaknesses in how Western liberal democracies are organized.
I think the much bigger story here is how China's state capitalism is being used to probe structural weaknesses in Western free market capitalism. Under free market capitalism, the private sector and the state are fundamentally opposed. The government's proper role is to act as a guardian of the system and establish the rules of play so that the "free market" can flourish and the role of companies are to compete to the maximum extent inside the constraints of regulation. State capitalism comes from a totally different set of first principles, under state capitalism, the private sector is a collaborator with the state and the work in concert to further the goals of the nation. Companies are allowed to compete when it would be beneficial to the state that they compete and forced to co-operate when it's beneficial to the state that they co-operate. Both systems start from a very different set of first principles and they each have their own pros and cons but China knows how to exploit the cons of free market capitalism much better than the US knows how to exploit the cons of state capitalism.
One structural weakness of free market capitalism is that it has intrinsic difficulty dealing with co-ordination problems arising from prisoner's dilemma situations. Take the recent "Taiwan, China" airline thing. China announces that all airline websites must list the destination as "Taiwan, China" or risk losing rights to access the Chinese air market. Now, this risk is a total paper tiger, any sober minded analysis could demonstrate that China would be hurt way more than losing flight volume than they would gain from words on a webpage. If all US airlines stood up in unison and said they opposed the change, China would rapidly back down, the whole "hurt feelings" stuff is just window dressing for political negotiation. However, if all but one airline caved, that airline would get all of China's flight volume, China would not be meaningfully hurt but every other company would be damaged.
The problem is, there's no effective mechanism under free market capitalism to do that. The "right" mechanism would be for the government to simply pass a law saying all US airlines must not refer to Taiwan as Taiwan, China and China would have immediately backed down. The problem is
a) The US is utterly incapable of passing legislation these days.
b) Even if it were capable, this would be something considered a massive overreach by the state and would be dragged into lawsuits for years.
c) Absent legislation, such co-operation would be arguably even illegal as it would run afoul of anti-trust as cartel like behavior.
So, as China predicted, you had airlines folding one by one over an utterly trivial issue because the fundamental bedrock assumptions of free market capitalism do not allow them to do otherwise.
The difference with the Houston Rockets case is that the NBA does exist as a mechanism for there to be a unifying voice of the league. China initially played this the same way it always does, by performing a surgical culling of the Rockets specifically, they were expecting the rest of the league to be cowed and force the Rockets to back down. What they didn't realize was that professional sports in the US are run as a socialist collective and sports leagues are one of the only areas of American life which are explicitly sanctioned to run as a cartel. Thus, the NBA has the freedom to say fuck you to China in a way that movie studios and airlines cannot because they realize China needs the NBA more than the NBA needs China.
- Loughla 7y ago>they realize China needs the NBA more than the NBA needs China. I was with you right up until this point. How is that?
- shalmanese 7y agoThe NBA is enormously popular in China and an NBA blackout would be catastrophically unpopular. Furthermore, it would be unpopular with precisely the most damaging kind of people, the ones who are largely apolitical but just want politics to not interfere with their daily enjoyments. There's a common misconception in the West that because China is an authoritarian state, it doesn't need to care about happiness of its citizens which couldn't be further from the truth. The CCP's legitimacy derives from the consent of the governed and the Chinese people know that.
- wensi 7y agoI'd argue that the damages will only happen one way as people in China will seek other ways to watch the NBA (which people have already been very accustomed to anyways), but NBA will lose all sources of revenue from China.
- chillacy 7y agoSeems like you could continue to take advantage of individual agents by bootstrapping the CBA with billions of dollars and offering insane salaries to slowly lure top NBA players over and creating your own league.
- takamh 7y agoIt appears you have a good understanding of the motivations of both US and China. What's your take on the HK protests? It's impossible to find an unbiased news source and any request for information that even hints you're not completely in support of the activists is immediately attacked.
- yorwba 7y agoThere's no such thing as an unbiased news source, but you can try looking at differently-biased news sources. RTHK is the public broadcaster in Hong Kong: https://www.rthk.hk/?lang=en https://www.rthk.hk/?lang=en SCMP is owned by Alibaba Group: https://www.scmp.com/ https://www.scmp.com/ HKFP is funded by donations: https://www.hongkongfp.com/ https://www.hongkongfp.com/