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You think totalitarian regimes like China and North Korea are OK, because "diversity"?

by drcode 7y ago

Merrill 7y ago
North Korea is totalitarian, and it will hopefully change to something acceptable. I think of the current regime in China as more an authoritarian single party regime. We have tolerated or been allied with authoritarian single party regimes in earlier decades such as Taiwan under the KMT, Japan under the early LDP, and South Korea under Rhee. China places a higher priority on enforcing social harmony than the US, but China has a history where there have been multiple periods of severe social disturbance causing 10s of millions of deaths, such as the Taiping Rebellion. In actual practice most people have quite a lot of freedom on most subjects most of the time since, "Heaven is high, and the Emperor is far away."
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- foogoloo 7y ago
  The Chinese Communist Party places a high priority on social harmony because that’s what benefits them. Having freedom as long as no one notices you isn’t freedom.
  - Merrill 7y ago
    In the US there is a faction that is extremely strong on "privacy rights". This seem motivated by the idea that you are free to do as you please so long as you can prevent others from knowing about it, rather than depending on having strong rights to do as you please whether others know or not. Strong privacy is the "security by obscurity" solution to being free.
    - drcode 7y ago
      So you're arguing China has strong privacy rights? How do "privacy rights" matter if you don't have the freedom to have privacy?
      - m-p-3 7y ago
        Freedom is subjective to one's past experiences.
throwawy4trueth 7y ago
With same mentality and illusion, westerners collectively destroied Iraq, Libya, cause huge human rights issue. It's ridiculous that while condeming China's cencorship, a lot of truths are suppressed by downvoting based on the illusion that the activists here who believe they stand on a higher moral ground. Wake up guys, those who condemned China's human right abuse are the same people who are responsible for the suffer of Iraq and Libya people.
- drcode 7y ago
  Not sure if you're just a bot, but if not... Can't you see that it's not a valid defense to just say "the other guys are doing it too?" Yes, US actions in Iraq and Libya were stupid and bad, but how is that relevant to a discussion on the problems in China?

You think totalitarian regimes like China and North Korea are OK, because "diversity"?

by drcode 7y ago

You think totalitarian regimes like China and North Korea are OK, because "diversity"?

North Korea is totalitarian, and it will hopefully change to something acceptable. I think of the current regime in China as more an authoritarian single party regime. We have tolerated or been allied with authoritarian single party regimes in earlier decades such as Taiwan under the KMT, Japan under the early LDP, and South Korea under Rhee. China places a higher priority on enforcing social harmony than the US, but China has a history where there have been multiple periods of severe social disturbance causing 10s of millions of deaths, such as the Taiping Rebellion. In actual practice most people have quite a lot of freedom on most subjects most of the time since, "Heaven is high, and the Emperor is far away."

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foogoloo 7y ago
The Chinese Communist Party places a high priority on social harmony because that’s what benefits them. Having freedom as long as no one notices you isn’t freedom.
- Merrill 7y ago
  In the US there is a faction that is extremely strong on "privacy rights". This seem motivated by the idea that you are free to do as you please so long as you can prevent others from knowing about it, rather than depending on having strong rights to do as you please whether others know or not. Strong privacy is the "security by obscurity" solution to being free.
  - drcode 7y ago
    So you're arguing China has strong privacy rights? How do "privacy rights" matter if you don't have the freedom to have privacy?
    - m-p-3 7y ago
      Freedom is subjective to one's past experiences.

throwawy4trueth 7y ago

With same mentality and illusion, westerners collectively destroied Iraq, Libya, cause huge human rights issue. It's ridiculous that while condeming China's cencorship, a lot of truths are suppressed by downvoting based on the illusion that the activists here who believe they stand on a higher moral ground. Wake up guys, those who condemned China's human right abuse are the same people who are responsible for the suffer of Iraq and Libya people.

drcode 7y ago
Not sure if you're just a bot, but if not... Can't you see that it's not a valid defense to just say "the other guys are doing it too?" Yes, US actions in Iraq and Libya were stupid and bad, but how is that relevant to a discussion on the problems in China?