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I don’t see how they conflict. Your co-workers sound like they’re advocating their own ethnic interests via the party in each country that best supports these.

by _iyig 7y ago

y-c-o-m-b 7y ago
Like I said, I'm not well informed when it comes to politics in India, so my opinion here is cautious and open to change. Having said that, surface level information I see displays similarities between Modi's nationalist policies/agenda and Trump's nationalist policies/agenda. As an outsider, being anti-Trump and pro-Modi seems conflicting to me is all. I could be wrong.
- _iyig 7y ago
  I’m friends with one Indian former co-worker on Facebook. He lives in the U.S. and is anti-Trump, but also shares lots of Hindu nationalist links and slogans. From the perspective of his own self-interest, I imagine this feels consistent. Then again, there’s also that group of “Hindus for Trump,” so what do I know. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/11/07/hindus-for-trump https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/11/07/hindus-for-tru...
- valarauko 7y ago
  A lot of new Indian immigrants start out liberal and Democrat, and eventually start moving towards the Republicans - almost entirely on fiscal policy. The culture wars the GOP base cares about does not echo with the Indian diaspora. Issues they do care about, and which is likely true of most immigrant groups: - Immigration laws. A lot of Indian arrivals are quite educated, yet struggle with the current system to enter the US. Many favour the Trump plan for a merit based visa regime. - Foreign policy towards India and Pakistan. Modi's popularity is a distinct formulation, and has to do with complex ideas of identity within multi-ethnic India. Only a tiny sliver of Modi's popularity has to do with his policies, and more with his Strongman persona.
  - screye 7y ago
    > Many favor the Trump plan for a merit based visa regime. - Foreign policy towards India and Pakistan. This has been a major sticking point for me. I absolutely despise Trump and could never imagine supporting the GOP. (literally over my dead boy) But, I acknowledge that Trump has had an agenda that objectively speaking, benefits Indians. Democrats have favored Pakistan in many situations, despite them routinely supporting jihadist militia & terrorists in both Afghanistan and India + hosting some of the most wanted men in the US (literally Osama). The US generally has a trigger happy tendency to jump to conclusions about human rights violations in other nations, without any nuanced understanding of the ground reality. So, I would rather a trigger happy group that favors us, than one that doesn't. I am in favor of more taxes, but as someone on an H1B, I can literally not access any of the social safety nets the extra taxation would afford. I am already near $100k in debt from student loans, and none of the loan forgiveness/ free education programs will be of assistance to me. Democrats speak of open borders and welcoming immigrants, but have done nothing to solve the problems faced by Indians who come to the US in the most legal way possible -> Highly educated, high skill. The waiting period on green cards is a minimum 40 years for Indians. At the very least, Trump (or the one smart guy in the cabinet) has changed the way the h1b lottery works to favor highly educated immigrants. It still sucks and some things have gotten worse, but the democrats certainly haven't helped. Lastly, for some reason, South Asians are not seen as a "minority" in the US (also faced by east Asians to some extent). There is a non-trivial amount of racism and internalized insecurities faced these groups and Democrats make no effort to talk about them, despite being loud about the same thing for hispanic and black communities. Jokes against Indians are not considered racist. Every popular Indian in US media is an awkward funny guy and lets not even talk about the "unsexiness" of Indian men.(Don't want to go into it too much, because it makes the comment sound like an incel. Even secure and well groomed Indians fully notice this, but will never speak of it outside male Indian circles, because honestly no one like complainers. Black women have this exact same problem in media, but they are slowly getting their voices heard and the representation they deserve). There is a reason a good chunk of Indians either borrow the 'preppy white person' or 'black rapper' identity, and that is because Indians have not found a way to be comfortable in their own culture yet. This is a hurdle that east asians seem to be getting past this generation. The school admission scandals have only further exacerbated this issue.

I don’t see how they conflict. Your co-workers sound like they’re advocating their own ethnic interests via the party in each country that best supports these.

by _iyig 7y ago

I don’t see how they conflict. Your co-workers sound like they’re advocating their own ethnic interests via the party in each country that best supports these.

y-c-o-m-b 7y ago

Like I said, I'm not well informed when it comes to politics in India, so my opinion here is cautious and open to change. Having said that, surface level information I see displays similarities between Modi's nationalist policies/agenda and Trump's nationalist policies/agenda. As an outsider, being anti-Trump and pro-Modi seems conflicting to me is all. I could be wrong.

_iyig 7y ago
I’m friends with one Indian former co-worker on Facebook. He lives in the U.S. and is anti-Trump, but also shares lots of Hindu nationalist links and slogans. From the perspective of his own self-interest, I imagine this feels consistent. Then again, there’s also that group of “Hindus for Trump,” so what do I know. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/11/07/hindus-for-trump https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/11/07/hindus-for-tru...
valarauko 7y ago
A lot of new Indian immigrants start out liberal and Democrat, and eventually start moving towards the Republicans - almost entirely on fiscal policy. The culture wars the GOP base cares about does not echo with the Indian diaspora. Issues they do care about, and which is likely true of most immigrant groups: - Immigration laws. A lot of Indian arrivals are quite educated, yet struggle with the current system to enter the US. Many favour the Trump plan for a merit based visa regime. - Foreign policy towards India and Pakistan. Modi's popularity is a distinct formulation, and has to do with complex ideas of identity within multi-ethnic India. Only a tiny sliver of Modi's popularity has to do with his policies, and more with his Strongman persona.
- screye 7y ago
  > Many favor the Trump plan for a merit based visa regime. - Foreign policy towards India and Pakistan. This has been a major sticking point for me. I absolutely despise Trump and could never imagine supporting the GOP. (literally over my dead boy) But, I acknowledge that Trump has had an agenda that objectively speaking, benefits Indians. Democrats have favored Pakistan in many situations, despite them routinely supporting jihadist militia & terrorists in both Afghanistan and India + hosting some of the most wanted men in the US (literally Osama). The US generally has a trigger happy tendency to jump to conclusions about human rights violations in other nations, without any nuanced understanding of the ground reality. So, I would rather a trigger happy group that favors us, than one that doesn't. I am in favor of more taxes, but as someone on an H1B, I can literally not access any of the social safety nets the extra taxation would afford. I am already near $100k in debt from student loans, and none of the loan forgiveness/ free education programs will be of assistance to me. Democrats speak of open borders and welcoming immigrants, but have done nothing to solve the problems faced by Indians who come to the US in the most legal way possible -> Highly educated, high skill. The waiting period on green cards is a minimum 40 years for Indians. At the very least, Trump (or the one smart guy in the cabinet) has changed the way the h1b lottery works to favor highly educated immigrants. It still sucks and some things have gotten worse, but the democrats certainly haven't helped. Lastly, for some reason, South Asians are not seen as a "minority" in the US (also faced by east Asians to some extent). There is a non-trivial amount of racism and internalized insecurities faced these groups and Democrats make no effort to talk about them, despite being loud about the same thing for hispanic and black communities. Jokes against Indians are not considered racist. Every popular Indian in US media is an awkward funny guy and lets not even talk about the "unsexiness" of Indian men.(Don't want to go into it too much, because it makes the comment sound like an incel. Even secure and well groomed Indians fully notice this, but will never speak of it outside male Indian circles, because honestly no one like complainers. Black women have this exact same problem in media, but they are slowly getting their voices heard and the representation they deserve). There is a reason a good chunk of Indians either borrow the 'preppy white person' or 'black rapper' identity, and that is because Indians have not found a way to be comfortable in their own culture yet. This is a hurdle that east asians seem to be getting past this generation. The school admission scandals have only further exacerbated this issue.