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I was referring to "Chinese government's mass incarceration of ethnic minorities". The purpose of these camps is to brainwash these people so they lose their et

I was referring to "Chinese government's mass incarceration of ethnic minorities". The purpose of these camps is to brainwash these people so they lose their ethnic (muslim) identity and do not even think about rebellion. This is terrible and horrible, especially children separated from their parents, most probably for ever. But once again it is a totally different "evil" than what Nazis did. It would be closer to what North Korea did to their entire population. Organ harvesting is a different issue, it certainly happens in Xinjiang but also in any other place in China where there is prisoners. I mean, China government did not put in place all these camps just for taking organs or for forced labor, from an economic perspective it would be a nonsense.

corodra 7y ago
I'll say, I was a bit of a dick to you in my response. So sorry. You clarified your stance a bit. But, you're falling into the trap. Every time "re-education" camps have popped up in history, bad things happened. Very bad things. You don't give the benefit of the doubt to this. The organization in question always claimed the whole "we're just helping" and other bullshit. Ever meet a habitual liar? Someone that just lies and twists facts constantly. Even when they don't have to. Gives you an aneurysm from having to deal with their constant bullshit? It's more for their own sociopathic dominance ego rather than just the situation's consequences. But they just twist and manipulate every fact or try to skirt around issues with rhetoric. A reason why lots of folks hate lawyers, because that's literally their job to re-interpret facts and laws to suite an outcome (yes, not all lawyers are like that, a bit of a generalization, but it's to communicate a point). That is what is happening here. They're not detainment camps, we are re-educating people here, to be proper Chinese citizens. No, Chinese people don't die here. This can be valid statement and millions of people could be buried under the floor boards. China has a wonderful practice of making people "non-people" or we westerners would just view that concept as "non-Chinese". One example was during the 1 child policy, child 2, 3 and so on, wouldn't be granted Chinese citizenship, even though they were born in China, by Chinese parents. So, if you have an ethnic group you don't consider Chinese, because you can "take that away"... well of course they don't kill or harvest from Chinese people! This is how communists communicate. This is soviet old hat doctrine. There are no Russian spies in America. Yes, because technically they're Soviets. There is no problem with any Russian nuclear power plants. Yea, because it was in the Ukraine. Or how about a shit ton of that denial from the recent blast in August until forced to admit it? Got to love their wording though on the people killed: “A bright memory of our comrades will forever live in our hearts." They died in an explosion... bright memory...that's fucked up by the way. Lying without lying. We all use to make fun of this shit in the 90s and early 2000s. What happened in the 2010s? How did we all forget that communist regimes are the best at double speak? The only way to deal with this is call out their bullshit for exactly what it is and not back down.
elliekelly 7y ago
Yes, the purpose of these camps is to "re-educate" people until China needs their organs or they die. > I mean, China government did not put in place all these camps just for taking organs or for forced labor, from an economic perspective it would be a nonsense. I think you grossly underestimate the economics of free labor and black market organs. From Wikipedia[1]: > In their report on organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners, Kilgour and Matas describe transplant hospitals in China that cater to wealthy foreigners who paid upwards of $100,000 for liver, lung, and heart transplants. For instance, the website of the China International Transplantation Network Assistance Center posted the following price list on its website in 2006: Kidney: $62,000; Liver: $98,000–130,000; Liver+kidney: $160,000–180,000; Kidney+pancreas: $150,000; Lung: $150,000–170,000; Heart: $130,000–160,000; Cornea: $30,000. All of those prices listed are in USD. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China#Commercial_incentives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...

corodra 7y ago

I'll say, I was a bit of a dick to you in my response. So sorry. You clarified your stance a bit. But, you're falling into the trap. Every time "re-education" camps have popped up in history, bad things happened. Very bad things. You don't give the benefit of the doubt to this. The organization in question always claimed the whole "we're just helping" and other bullshit. Ever meet a habitual liar? Someone that just lies and twists facts constantly. Even when they don't have to. Gives you an aneurysm from having to deal with their constant bullshit? It's more for their own sociopathic dominance ego rather than just the situation's consequences. But they just twist and manipulate every fact or try to skirt around issues with rhetoric. A reason why lots of folks hate lawyers, because that's literally their job to re-interpret facts and laws to suite an outcome (yes, not all lawyers are like that, a bit of a generalization, but it's to communicate a point). That is what is happening here. They're not detainment camps, we are re-educating people here, to be proper Chinese citizens. No, Chinese people don't die here. This can be valid statement and millions of people could be buried under the floor boards. China has a wonderful practice of making people "non-people" or we westerners would just view that concept as "non-Chinese". One example was during the 1 child policy, child 2, 3 and so on, wouldn't be granted Chinese citizenship, even though they were born in China, by Chinese parents. So, if you have an ethnic group you don't consider Chinese, because you can "take that away"... well of course they don't kill or harvest from Chinese people! This is how communists communicate. This is soviet old hat doctrine. There are no Russian spies in America. Yes, because technically they're Soviets. There is no problem with any Russian nuclear power plants. Yea, because it was in the Ukraine. Or how about a shit ton of that denial from the recent blast in August until forced to admit it? Got to love their wording though on the people killed: “A bright memory of our comrades will forever live in our hearts." They died in an explosion... bright memory...that's fucked up by the way. Lying without lying. We all use to make fun of this shit in the 90s and early 2000s. What happened in the 2010s? How did we all forget that communist regimes are the best at double speak? The only way to deal with this is call out their bullshit for exactly what it is and not back down.

elliekelly 7y ago

Yes, the purpose of these camps is to "re-educate" people until China needs their organs or they die. > I mean, China government did not put in place all these camps just for taking organs or for forced labor, from an economic perspective it would be a nonsense. I think you grossly underestimate the economics of free labor and black market organs. From Wikipedia[1]: > In their report on organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners, Kilgour and Matas describe transplant hospitals in China that cater to wealthy foreigners who paid upwards of $100,000 for liver, lung, and heart transplants. For instance, the website of the China International Transplantation Network Assistance Center posted the following price list on its website in 2006: Kidney: $62,000; Liver: $98,000–130,000; Liver+kidney: $160,000–180,000; Kidney+pancreas: $150,000; Lung: $150,000–170,000; Heart: $130,000–160,000; Cornea: $30,000. All of those prices listed are in USD. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China#Commercial_incentives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...