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Roseanne Barr. Had her ABC show cancelled over a tweet, yet ABC-owned ESPN hired Keith Olbermann. Multiple examples of someone posting vile stuff on a blog or t

Roseanne Barr. Had her ABC show cancelled over a tweet, yet ABC-owned ESPN hired Keith Olbermann. Multiple examples of someone posting vile stuff on a blog or twitter and being unscathed (Joy Reid is one quick example,) but Roseanne gets canceled because she happens to support Trump. Another example is Shane Gillis — cancelled because of something he said, not any specific action. Getting cancelled for sexually abusing people is one thing, getting cancelled because of “offensive” speech is the real problem. Roseanne and Gillis and Hart got cancelled for words. CK, Franken, Spacey — they were ousted for actions. That isn’t really part of cancel culture. Driving someone out of business because of vile and criminal actions is much different than firing a comedian because of a joke. If I were a comedian that make vile jokes about Obama and his daughters, I’d be cancelled. If I made vile jokes about Trump and his kids, I’d get a Netflix special.

fishtacos 7y ago
Words don't exist in a vacuum. They have meanings that people interpret to varying degrees of importance. Dismissing what he did as just "something he said" as opposed to meaning or intent, is not cancellation - it's society's backlash toward intolerable racist speech.
- lawnchair_larry 7y ago
  You might want to investigate the meaning and intent then. He was mocking dumb old white dudes. Everybody just saw the slur and lost their mind, totally missing this fact. It’s fine to not think that the joke landed, but it’s silly to be offended by it. And yes, it was literally cancelation.
dfxm12 7y ago
Barr, Gillis and Hart were fired from one job because they alienated a large enough swath of their employers' customers and advertisers that they thought it would be bad for business. That's capitalism. Furthermore, they're all still working, so I don't see how cancelled is the right word here.
triceratops 7y ago
> Roseanne gets canceled because she happens to support Trump This is false. The show got cancelled because of tweets by Barr that were seen as racist.[1] She was already known as a Trump supporter for 2 years before her show was revived[2][3] so that could not possibly have been a factor in her firing. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Barr#Valerie_Jarrett_tweets_and_Roseanne_cancellation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Barr#Valerie_Jarrett_... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Barr#Reality_television_and_Roseanne_revival:_2011%E2%80%932018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Barr#Reality_televisi... 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Barr#Support_for_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Barr#Support_for_Dona...
darkarmani 7y ago
> but Roseanne gets canceled because she happens to support Trump. That's not the comment she got canceled for. She was being horribly racist. Trump support is less the issue than it is extra gasoline between his racist comments and her horrible comment. > If I made vile jokes about Trump and his kids, I’d get a Netflix special. Where is your example here?
davvolun 7y ago
Words vs action have nothing to do with what I was saying, and I don't see where you've made a convincing case that they should be separated. As for Barr and Gillis, both ABC and NBC acted immediately to get rid of them when it looked like they would hurt their bottom line. Is that "cancel culture" to you? > If I made vile jokes about Trump and his kids, I’d get a Netflix special. Which kids? Who is out there making fun of Bannon, or are you saying Eric/Don Jr/Ivanka/[that other one] are off limits? I'm not aware of anyone targeting any under age Presidential children.......... Oh except when Malia was being called out for drinking under age, I guess. Or, here's former Presidential candidate John McCain making a joke about Chelsea Clinton (https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2008/sep/02/women.johnmccain https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2008/sep/02/women.j...). So I guess if you make a joke about Trump's kids, you get a Netflix special; make a joke about a Democrat President's kid, run for President?

fishtacos 7y ago

Words don't exist in a vacuum. They have meanings that people interpret to varying degrees of importance. Dismissing what he did as just "something he said" as opposed to meaning or intent, is not cancellation - it's society's backlash toward intolerable racist speech.

lawnchair_larry 7y ago
You might want to investigate the meaning and intent then. He was mocking dumb old white dudes. Everybody just saw the slur and lost their mind, totally missing this fact. It’s fine to not think that the joke landed, but it’s silly to be offended by it. And yes, it was literally cancelation.

dfxm12 7y ago

Barr, Gillis and Hart were fired from one job because they alienated a large enough swath of their employers' customers and advertisers that they thought it would be bad for business. That's capitalism. Furthermore, they're all still working, so I don't see how cancelled is the right word here.

triceratops 7y ago

> Roseanne gets canceled because she happens to support Trump This is false. The show got cancelled because of tweets by Barr that were seen as racist.[1] She was already known as a Trump supporter for 2 years before her show was revived[2][3] so that could not possibly have been a factor in her firing. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Barr#Valerie_Jarrett_tweets_and_Roseanne_cancellation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Barr#Valerie_Jarrett_... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Barr#Reality_television_and_Roseanne_revival:_2011%E2%80%932018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Barr#Reality_televisi... 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Barr#Support_for_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_Barr#Support_for_Dona...

darkarmani 7y ago

> but Roseanne gets canceled because she happens to support Trump. That's not the comment she got canceled for. She was being horribly racist. Trump support is less the issue than it is extra gasoline between his racist comments and her horrible comment. > If I made vile jokes about Trump and his kids, I’d get a Netflix special. Where is your example here?

davvolun 7y ago

Words vs action have nothing to do with what I was saying, and I don't see where you've made a convincing case that they should be separated. As for Barr and Gillis, both ABC and NBC acted immediately to get rid of them when it looked like they would hurt their bottom line. Is that "cancel culture" to you? > If I made vile jokes about Trump and his kids, I’d get a Netflix special. Which kids? Who is out there making fun of Bannon, or are you saying Eric/Don Jr/Ivanka/[that other one] are off limits? I'm not aware of anyone targeting any under age Presidential children.......... Oh except when Malia was being called out for drinking under age, I guess. Or, here's former Presidential candidate John McCain making a joke about Chelsea Clinton (https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2008/sep/02/women.johnmccain https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2008/sep/02/women.j...). So I guess if you make a joke about Trump's kids, you get a Netflix special; make a joke about a Democrat President's kid, run for President?