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No, there really aren't. The socioeconomic consequences of a couple are the socioeconomic consequences of a couple, no matter the dangly bits. We're not all hav

No, there really aren't. The socioeconomic consequences of a couple are the socioeconomic consequences of a couple, no matter the dangly bits. We're not all having children. It also turns out raising children also is not negatively affected by the parents being gay. (Plenty of studies on the subject, go read some). Leaves actually having children. Is your argument that we all should breed? Then your argument is seriously broken, the world is about 300% over capacity already. So, no - it's still rooted in hate. (Or fear, really)

whatshisface 7y ago
You're providing counter-arguments against the correctness of the argument the parent suggested, but otherwise good people can believe incorrect arguments. You can't assume that someone was aware of all those studies, some of which have been conducted in the years since, and none of which are taught about in elementary school. It is not sufficient to demonstrate that the Mozilla CEO believed something incorrect, you also have to demonstrate that evil was the only explanation.
- damnyou 7y ago
  This is a common misconception which reduces structural discrimination to individual resentment. In reality, it does not matter at all whether the actor had evil in their heart — it only matters what the effects are (ability to adopt, hospital visitation rights, ability to immigrate etc).
  - whatshisface 7y ago
    Being right about everything that matters is an unreasonable standard to hold people to, because nobody is right about everything that matters. I guarantee that you and I are both mistaken in ways that cause us to support sub-optimal policies whose effects legitimately hurt people. If we keep open minds, we may even realize some of these errors in the future - unless we're just wrong so we can be evil, which is why there's a distinction between "wrong" and "purposely wrong in order to be evil."
  - erikpukinskis 7y ago
    I agree with you, but this is a truly unpopular opinion. People REALLY hate the idea that they’re responsible for things they haven’t even conceived of.
    - whatshisface 7y ago
      In your life, how do you handle the guilt for your countless unknowing political sins? Does it look exactly the same as what you would do if you didn't think you were guilty?
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      - erikpukinskis 7y ago
        I don’t do much with the unknowing ones. With newly known ones, I feel bad, and then I try to understand how I could be better. I’m not sure I understand your question.
tsegratis 7y ago
Just took your advice [0]: A comprehensive study published in the Medical Journal of Australia shows children raised in same-sex-parented families do as well as children raised by heterosexual couple parents... However, the study did find that young people who expressed diversity in their sexual orientation or gender identity experienced some of the highest rates of psychological distress in Australia, said the study’s senior author, Prof Frank Oberklaid. “Young LGBTIQ+ people are much more likely to experience poor mental health, self-harm and suicide than other young people, “ he said. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/oct/23/children-raised-by-same-sex-parents-do-as-well-as-their-peers-study-shows https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/oct/23/child... -- Closing the gap between what we want, what we're told, and reality, is really tricky The authors say they aimed to show, and found no harm at-all from gay parenting; and that is their conclusion. But it is hard to draw easy conclusions, even just from their own words
- groby_b 7y ago
  Are you really that dense, or do you just want to argue a strawman? This is talking about young LGBTQI+ people being distressed, not about gay marriage. Yes, people who express their diversity feel stressed - because they're surrounded by bigots. Who distort the truth wherever they can. Even if it requires completely distorting study results.

whatshisface 7y ago

You're providing counter-arguments against the correctness of the argument the parent suggested, but otherwise good people can believe incorrect arguments. You can't assume that someone was aware of all those studies, some of which have been conducted in the years since, and none of which are taught about in elementary school. It is not sufficient to demonstrate that the Mozilla CEO believed something incorrect, you also have to demonstrate that evil was the only explanation.

damnyou 7y ago
This is a common misconception which reduces structural discrimination to individual resentment. In reality, it does not matter at all whether the actor had evil in their heart — it only matters what the effects are (ability to adopt, hospital visitation rights, ability to immigrate etc).
- whatshisface 7y ago
  Being right about everything that matters is an unreasonable standard to hold people to, because nobody is right about everything that matters. I guarantee that you and I are both mistaken in ways that cause us to support sub-optimal policies whose effects legitimately hurt people. If we keep open minds, we may even realize some of these errors in the future - unless we're just wrong so we can be evil, which is why there's a distinction between "wrong" and "purposely wrong in order to be evil."
- erikpukinskis 7y ago
  I agree with you, but this is a truly unpopular opinion. People REALLY hate the idea that they’re responsible for things they haven’t even conceived of.
  - whatshisface 7y ago
    In your life, how do you handle the guilt for your countless unknowing political sins? Does it look exactly the same as what you would do if you didn't think you were guilty?
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    - erikpukinskis 7y ago
      I don’t do much with the unknowing ones. With newly known ones, I feel bad, and then I try to understand how I could be better. I’m not sure I understand your question.

tsegratis 7y ago

Just took your advice [0]: A comprehensive study published in the Medical Journal of Australia shows children raised in same-sex-parented families do as well as children raised by heterosexual couple parents... However, the study did find that young people who expressed diversity in their sexual orientation or gender identity experienced some of the highest rates of psychological distress in Australia, said the study’s senior author, Prof Frank Oberklaid. “Young LGBTIQ+ people are much more likely to experience poor mental health, self-harm and suicide than other young people, “ he said. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/oct/23/children-raised-by-same-sex-parents-do-as-well-as-their-peers-study-shows https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/oct/23/child... -- Closing the gap between what we want, what we're told, and reality, is really tricky The authors say they aimed to show, and found no harm at-all from gay parenting; and that is their conclusion. But it is hard to draw easy conclusions, even just from their own words

groby_b 7y ago
Are you really that dense, or do you just want to argue a strawman? This is talking about young LGBTQI+ people being distressed, not about gay marriage. Yes, people who express their diversity feel stressed - because they're surrounded by bigots. Who distort the truth wherever they can. Even if it requires completely distorting study results.