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From Reddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/de1ysj/china_accused_of_genocide_over_forced_abortions/f2rgef0/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/com

by loceng 7y ago

From Reddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/de1ysj/china_accused_of_genocide_over_forced_abortions/f2rgef0/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/de1ysj/china_acc... - "If you ever wondered how the whole world stood by and watched as the Nazis came to power and began committing atrocities here’s your answer." The whole thread has similar commentary - along with morbid humor: "The next Disney movie will feature forced abortions to appease China." Makes me think of brand names - who are still in existence today - who provided services, products, to similar regimes; Russell Brand Rips on GQ, Hugo Boss, referencing Syria War and Nazi Germany - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inB-6R1-4ng https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inB-6R1-4ng Edit to add: Seems the pro-tyrants of China's leadership brigade is here: I had 2 upvotes, now at 0. Or if the people downvoting don't understand what's going on in China is akin to Nazi Germany then they're either indoctrinated in propaganda or haven't studied, analyzed, understood the situation adequately.

ajmurmann 7y ago
The big difference is that Nazi Germany wasn’t as fundamentally important to us getting larger, cheaper TVs. Economics clearly trump everything else. It’s ok to harvest organs from countless members of ethnicMinorities as long as the system that does it helps out bottom line. If the Soviet Unions economic system has worked well, we would have supported them too /s
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- busterarm 7y ago
  I think you underestimate just how much of the US's immigrant population and culture was either directly German or German-influenced leading up to and in the early years of WWII. That's a bond that was not easily severed.
busterarm 7y ago
The downvotes aren't unexpected. There's a size-able pro-socialist leaning group on here that loves everything that China is doing.
- asdf333 7y ago
  i think you are conflating fake accounts supporting china or pro china people from people who are liberal democrats. they are mostly different.
- mantap 7y ago
  You do realise this forum is run by a venture capital firm? If you're being downvoted it's not because HN is a communist stronghold.
  - busterarm 7y ago
    You do realize that Y Combinator the business is a separate entity from the thoughts and views of the thousands of people who comment here, right? pg and dang aren't sitting here in the comments slapping everyone for posting their political ideologies. There certainly is not a small number of commenters with a negative view of capitalism here. Just search for phrases like "late stage capitalism" and you'll find them.
- shawnz 7y ago
  Democracy is indispensable to socialism. - Lenin
- shantly 7y ago
  I don't think most lefty-left Westerners are also pro-China. I know in my circles going after China—however ineptly and weakly—is probably the only major thing Trump's done that any of us agree with.
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grecy 7y ago
The pro-china movement on HN is extremely strong. It's fun to look at all the pro-China commenters, and then look through the account history for how long their account has existed, the kind of articles they submit and their comments. It couldn't be more obvious.
- bbdksl 7y ago
  Playing the devils advocate, maybe they are using an alt account because they don’t want people like you finding them in real life.
  - TheRealPomax 7y ago
    That's not what playing devil's advocate means in the slightest.
  - michannne 7y ago
    You're making the argument that pro-China activists have more to fear in their online presence than Hong Kong activists? Could you point to some data that backs this up, because it overwhelmingly appears to be the opposite.
  - PavlovsCat 7y ago
    That's not playing devil's advocate, it's just projection, i.e. those who pay attention to the stifling of resistance against violence and murder are the real dangerous people, projecting what they resist on them.
- dosy 7y ago
  Translation: "Let me dismiss and trivialize that which I'm too scared to admit might be true." Good luck keeping on pretending the opinions of a large chunk of the world don't exist, don't make sense or don't matter. Or maybe it's you who needs to expand your mind, show a bit of empathy and try to understand the other side? Sure, I guess it's easier to pretend the other side doesn't really exist, than to come to understand it. Keep arrogant and ignorant at your own peril. But I guess it's easier to close your mind and feel better by pretending it's wrong, than to try to know the rest of the world?
PavlovsCat 7y ago
> I remember once asking my mother, ‘How did you do in your studies?’ She replied, ‘What are you talking about? How could you study under those conditions?’. When she saw the segregation of African-Americans, whether at a lunch counter or in the school system, that was, for her, like the prologue to the Nazi holocaust. Whereas many Jews now say, Never compare (Elie Wiesel’s refrain, ‘It’s bad, but it’s not The Holocaust’), my mother’s credo was, Always compare. She gladly and generously made the imaginative leap to those who were suffering, wrapping and shielding them in the embrace of her own suffering. -- Norman Finkelstein > Of course, the terrible things I heard from the Nuremberg Trials, about the six million Jews and the people from other races who were killed, were facts that shocked me deeply. But I wasn't able to see the connection with my own past. I was satisfied that I wasn't personally to blame and that I hadn't known about those things. I wasn't aware of the extent. But one day I went past the memorial plaque which had been put up for Sophie Scholl in Franz Josef Strasse, and I saw that she was born the same year as me, and she was executed the same year I started working for Hitler. And at that moment I actually sensed that it was no excuse to be young, and that it would have been possible to find things out. -- Traudl Junge My points being 1.) to not compare, even with mass murder, is not being respectful to the victims of the Nazis, and it doesn't make them alive again. It simply means having a reason to look away, today, from the people who need your attention, now. 2.) If 10 billion people shrugged and said "nothing to see here", even one person seeing what they claim doesn't exist would prove that the others could have seen it, too. If ignorance is the result of not wanting to know, it's not really ignorance that could free one from culpability.
jotm 7y ago
Forget it, HN is no place for facts or anything from the real world. If you want upvotes, post something wishy washy positive about web development or space. There's always Apple, too.
dang 7y ago
You managed some sort of internet trifecta here: Reddit, Nazis, and astroturfing. This comment breaks several of the site guidelines badly. Could you please read them and follow them here from now on? We've had to ask you this before. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

by loceng 7y ago

ajmurmann 7y ago

The big difference is that Nazi Germany wasn’t as fundamentally important to us getting larger, cheaper TVs. Economics clearly trump everything else. It’s ok to harvest organs from countless members of ethnicMinorities as long as the system that does it helps out bottom line. If the Soviet Unions economic system has worked well, we would have supported them too /s

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busterarm 7y ago
I think you underestimate just how much of the US's immigrant population and culture was either directly German or German-influenced leading up to and in the early years of WWII. That's a bond that was not easily severed.

busterarm 7y ago

The downvotes aren't unexpected. There's a size-able pro-socialist leaning group on here that loves everything that China is doing.

asdf333 7y ago
i think you are conflating fake accounts supporting china or pro china people from people who are liberal democrats. they are mostly different.
mantap 7y ago
You do realise this forum is run by a venture capital firm? If you're being downvoted it's not because HN is a communist stronghold.
- busterarm 7y ago
  You do realize that Y Combinator the business is a separate entity from the thoughts and views of the thousands of people who comment here, right? pg and dang aren't sitting here in the comments slapping everyone for posting their political ideologies. There certainly is not a small number of commenters with a negative view of capitalism here. Just search for phrases like "late stage capitalism" and you'll find them.
shawnz 7y ago
Democracy is indispensable to socialism. - Lenin
shantly 7y ago
I don't think most lefty-left Westerners are also pro-China. I know in my circles going after China—however ineptly and weakly—is probably the only major thing Trump's done that any of us agree with.
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grecy 7y ago

The pro-china movement on HN is extremely strong. It's fun to look at all the pro-China commenters, and then look through the account history for how long their account has existed, the kind of articles they submit and their comments. It couldn't be more obvious.

bbdksl 7y ago
Playing the devils advocate, maybe they are using an alt account because they don’t want people like you finding them in real life.
- TheRealPomax 7y ago
  That's not what playing devil's advocate means in the slightest.
- michannne 7y ago
  You're making the argument that pro-China activists have more to fear in their online presence than Hong Kong activists? Could you point to some data that backs this up, because it overwhelmingly appears to be the opposite.
- PavlovsCat 7y ago
  That's not playing devil's advocate, it's just projection, i.e. those who pay attention to the stifling of resistance against violence and murder are the real dangerous people, projecting what they resist on them.
dosy 7y ago
Translation: "Let me dismiss and trivialize that which I'm too scared to admit might be true." Good luck keeping on pretending the opinions of a large chunk of the world don't exist, don't make sense or don't matter. Or maybe it's you who needs to expand your mind, show a bit of empathy and try to understand the other side? Sure, I guess it's easier to pretend the other side doesn't really exist, than to come to understand it. Keep arrogant and ignorant at your own peril. But I guess it's easier to close your mind and feel better by pretending it's wrong, than to try to know the rest of the world?

PavlovsCat 7y ago

> I remember once asking my mother, ‘How did you do in your studies?’ She replied, ‘What are you talking about? How could you study under those conditions?’. When she saw the segregation of African-Americans, whether at a lunch counter or in the school system, that was, for her, like the prologue to the Nazi holocaust. Whereas many Jews now say, Never compare (Elie Wiesel’s refrain, ‘It’s bad, but it’s not The Holocaust’), my mother’s credo was, Always compare. She gladly and generously made the imaginative leap to those who were suffering, wrapping and shielding them in the embrace of her own suffering. -- Norman Finkelstein > Of course, the terrible things I heard from the Nuremberg Trials, about the six million Jews and the people from other races who were killed, were facts that shocked me deeply. But I wasn't able to see the connection with my own past. I was satisfied that I wasn't personally to blame and that I hadn't known about those things. I wasn't aware of the extent. But one day I went past the memorial plaque which had been put up for Sophie Scholl in Franz Josef Strasse, and I saw that she was born the same year as me, and she was executed the same year I started working for Hitler. And at that moment I actually sensed that it was no excuse to be young, and that it would have been possible to find things out. -- Traudl Junge My points being 1.) to not compare, even with mass murder, is not being respectful to the victims of the Nazis, and it doesn't make them alive again. It simply means having a reason to look away, today, from the people who need your attention, now. 2.) If 10 billion people shrugged and said "nothing to see here", even one person seeing what they claim doesn't exist would prove that the others could have seen it, too. If ignorance is the result of not wanting to know, it's not really ignorance that could free one from culpability.

jotm 7y ago

Forget it, HN is no place for facts or anything from the real world. If you want upvotes, post something wishy washy positive about web development or space. There's always Apple, too.

dang 7y ago

You managed some sort of internet trifecta here: Reddit, Nazis, and astroturfing. This comment breaks several of the site guidelines badly. Could you please read them and follow them here from now on? We've had to ask you this before. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.