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>That it's between GNU project webpages and Sourceforge circa 2002? Even more rude. This looks nothing like either. GNU Savannah has a garish color scheme and

>That it's between GNU project webpages and Sourceforge circa 2002? Even more rude. This looks nothing like either. GNU Savannah has a garish color scheme and completely unplanned UI. Sourceforge is overplanned and looks like a mid-2000's ad-ridden malware distribution site. >Well, not that I care whether it would or would not be accepted, but It would still be a valid answer: using common services other's use, make for less friction Then you'll never get new services. You'll bow to your Microsoft overlords and take what Github gives you, and be thankful for it. Github is proprietary and profit driven. It's going to do what's best for it, not what's best for you. This is a pretty naive and immature line of reasoning.

coldtea 7y ago
>Even more rude. Rude to whom? Styles? UX? I'm pretty sure even the graphic/UX designers involved (if any) would agree.
- bitofhope 7y ago
  That's the founder and lead dev of sourcehut you're talking to. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't object if he agreed.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    Well, that's a blunder for sure! Didn't know it, thought I was talking to just some FOSS proponent, so sorry. But even so, we can surely agree that the design is basic compared to GitHub no?
    - joemi 7y ago
      The design is different, but I wouldn't say it's worse than github. I actually prefer sourcehut's design to github's. If nothing else, there are some undeniable benefits to sourcehut's style, such as faster page loading time and less memory usage. How would your criticism change if you knew who you were talking to? Why not just always assume the developer of anything will be reading HN comments that mention their thing, and form your comments as such? Developers are human, after all.
coldtea 7y ago
>Then you'll never get new services. You'll bow to your Microsoft overlords and take what Github gives you, and be thankful for it. Well, that escalated quickly. Or, you know, we'll leverage the commonality as long as it suits us, and jump ship when it doesn't. Like we did with Sourceforge itself, and like people did with common once dominant and good to use because of network effects projects... How about that? As if we have agency, and are not just mindless automata, that just because we chose an option are forced to live with it forever... >Github is proprietary and profit driven. Both are acceptable, even in polite society...
- Sir_Cmpwn 7y ago
  >Both are acceptable, even in polite society... Proprietary is not acceptable. Profit-driven can be acceptable, but time and again we've seen that companies driven by profits don't make decisions in the best interests of their users, i.e. you.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    >Proprietary is not acceptable. Do you speak for everybody? Because you can pry Sublime Text, Final Cut Pro X or Cubase from my dead hands, and all those are proprietary... >Profit-driven can be acceptable, but time and again we've seen that companies driven by profits don't make decisions in the best interests of their users, i.e. you. We've seen time and again than FOSS project leaders also don't make decisions in the best interests of their users. And we've also seen that just their being open source just raises the chances of somebody having the will/resources/knowledge/time to fork them and do them right from 0% (for proprietary) to near 0 (for FOSS). As for me, one of said users, doing it, it's 0% in both cases.

coldtea 7y ago

>Even more rude. Rude to whom? Styles? UX? I'm pretty sure even the graphic/UX designers involved (if any) would agree.

bitofhope 7y ago
That's the founder and lead dev of sourcehut you're talking to. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't object if he agreed.
- coldtea 7y ago
  Well, that's a blunder for sure! Didn't know it, thought I was talking to just some FOSS proponent, so sorry. But even so, we can surely agree that the design is basic compared to GitHub no?
  - joemi 7y ago
    The design is different, but I wouldn't say it's worse than github. I actually prefer sourcehut's design to github's. If nothing else, there are some undeniable benefits to sourcehut's style, such as faster page loading time and less memory usage. How would your criticism change if you knew who you were talking to? Why not just always assume the developer of anything will be reading HN comments that mention their thing, and form your comments as such? Developers are human, after all.

coldtea 7y ago

>Then you'll never get new services. You'll bow to your Microsoft overlords and take what Github gives you, and be thankful for it. Well, that escalated quickly. Or, you know, we'll leverage the commonality as long as it suits us, and jump ship when it doesn't. Like we did with Sourceforge itself, and like people did with common once dominant and good to use because of network effects projects... How about that? As if we have agency, and are not just mindless automata, that just because we chose an option are forced to live with it forever... >Github is proprietary and profit driven. Both are acceptable, even in polite society...

Sir_Cmpwn 7y ago
>Both are acceptable, even in polite society... Proprietary is not acceptable. Profit-driven can be acceptable, but time and again we've seen that companies driven by profits don't make decisions in the best interests of their users, i.e. you.
- coldtea 7y ago
  >Proprietary is not acceptable. Do you speak for everybody? Because you can pry Sublime Text, Final Cut Pro X or Cubase from my dead hands, and all those are proprietary... >Profit-driven can be acceptable, but time and again we've seen that companies driven by profits don't make decisions in the best interests of their users, i.e. you. We've seen time and again than FOSS project leaders also don't make decisions in the best interests of their users. And we've also seen that just their being open source just raises the chances of somebody having the will/resources/knowledge/time to fork them and do them right from 0% (for proprietary) to near 0 (for FOSS). As for me, one of said users, doing it, it's 0% in both cases.