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It is more state capitalism. Socialism implies more democracy.

thrower123 7y ago
National Socialism was state capitalism. The CCP's control of their corporations and conglomerates is almost like they took Speer's notebooks and followed them to the letter. It's possible that Krupp and IG Farben and Messerschmitt were able to wag the dog a little more than their Chinese equivalents, but the resemblances are striking.
- atomi 7y ago
  You could make the argument that the bigger problem, still, is China's lack of political diversity. One party has supreme control.
- kentrado 7y ago
  If the workers can't control the means of production, it is not socialism. Socialism calls for the democracy of the workplace. What China has done is replace the authoritarian bourgeois with an authoritarian government. Just because North Korea's name is Democratic People's Republic of Korea doesn't mean it is democratic. Naming stuff their opposite doesn't make it so, but I'll admit it has been pretty effective for convincing people who don't know the true definition.
  - DuskStar 7y ago
    I'm confused - are you trying to say that the Nazis weren't socialist and so can't be compared to China, or that China isn't socialist and so can't be compared to the Nazis? Or just that we shouldn't use the word "socialism" in conjunction with either, despite that being the name of one of the groups in question?
    - kentrado 7y ago
      Would you use the word democratic to describe North Korea, despite that being the name of the country?
      - DuskStar 7y ago
        No, but by your standards 'Socialist' describes Nazi Germany approximately as well as it does China.
        kentrado 7y ago
        I think you are misunderstanding what I said.
        DuskStar 7y ago
        > Socialism calls for the democracy of the workplace. > What China has done is replace the authoritarian bourgeois with an authoritarian government. In other words, China is not Socialist. Presumably, neither was the National Socialist German Workers Party while it was in control of the country. The question then becomes, why is this relevant. Why say "that's not true Socialism!" in response to someone comparing Nazi Germany with China, when neither was Socialist?
        kentrado 7y ago
        Then it is I who misunderstood. No biggie, everyone makes mistakes. Just ignore my comment and carry on.
  - thepaperone 7y ago
    >Socialism calls for the democracy of the workplace. What a hilarious retelling! Marx himself would laugh at you. It's called the dictatorship of the proletariat for a reason.
croon 7y ago
Far be it from nazis to portray themselves as something they're not...
briandear 7y ago
Socialism implies more democracy? Is Venenzuela more democratic? The only real democracy is that which is based on a government that is biased towards the center. Far left and far right is never democratic. Democracy working correctly is filled with compromise.

National Socialism was state capitalism. The CCP's control of their corporations and conglomerates is almost like they took Speer's notebooks and followed them to the letter. It's possible that Krupp and IG Farben and Messerschmitt were able to wag the dog a little more than their Chinese equivalents, but the resemblances are striking.

atomi 7y ago
You could make the argument that the bigger problem, still, is China's lack of political diversity. One party has supreme control.
kentrado 7y ago
If the workers can't control the means of production, it is not socialism. Socialism calls for the democracy of the workplace. What China has done is replace the authoritarian bourgeois with an authoritarian government. Just because North Korea's name is Democratic People's Republic of Korea doesn't mean it is democratic. Naming stuff their opposite doesn't make it so, but I'll admit it has been pretty effective for convincing people who don't know the true definition.
- DuskStar 7y ago
  I'm confused - are you trying to say that the Nazis weren't socialist and so can't be compared to China, or that China isn't socialist and so can't be compared to the Nazis? Or just that we shouldn't use the word "socialism" in conjunction with either, despite that being the name of one of the groups in question?
  - kentrado 7y ago
    Would you use the word democratic to describe North Korea, despite that being the name of the country?
    - DuskStar 7y ago
      No, but by your standards 'Socialist' describes Nazi Germany approximately as well as it does China.
      - kentrado 7y ago
        I think you are misunderstanding what I said.
        DuskStar 7y ago
        > Socialism calls for the democracy of the workplace. > What China has done is replace the authoritarian bourgeois with an authoritarian government. In other words, China is not Socialist. Presumably, neither was the National Socialist German Workers Party while it was in control of the country. The question then becomes, why is this relevant. Why say "that's not true Socialism!" in response to someone comparing Nazi Germany with China, when neither was Socialist?
        kentrado 7y ago
        Then it is I who misunderstood. No biggie, everyone makes mistakes. Just ignore my comment and carry on.
- thepaperone 7y ago
  >Socialism calls for the democracy of the workplace. What a hilarious retelling! Marx himself would laugh at you. It's called the dictatorship of the proletariat for a reason.

croon 7y ago

Far be it from nazis to portray themselves as something they're not...

briandear 7y ago

Socialism implies more democracy? Is Venenzuela more democratic? The only real democracy is that which is based on a government that is biased towards the center. Far left and far right is never democratic. Democracy working correctly is filled with compromise.