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> Is Trump evil? It's not clear to me Trump is corrupt, abuser, a fascist, arguably a traitor of American people. He's racist, sexist and he gives his support

by glogla 7y ago

> Is Trump evil? It's not clear to me Trump is corrupt, abuser, a fascist, arguably a traitor of American people. He's racist, sexist and he gives his support to horrible movements (like KKK and alt-right) and normalizes their views. He's responsible for ICE and putting children in concentration camps. There must be huge gap between perspectives, because I don't understand how it something like this can be unclear. If not this guy, who would you consider evil if anyone?

koonsolo 7y ago
Ok I was wrong, you can actually divide the world into evil or not. It's not always as clear to me and others, so can you share if following things are evil or not: Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Barack Obama.
lordlimecat 7y ago
>He's responsible for ICE In what world? ICE was created in 2003.
- glogla 7y ago
  I mean, yes, but 1) ICE is Executive branch and he's the chief of Executive branch (I guess the proper word would be accountable). 2) I'm pretty sure a lot of the way ICE is acting now (you know, the children in cages who are refused medical care and so on) is affected by the guy in charge being openly racist who considers non-white people subhuman, wants to build a wall and considers "good people on both sides" between nazis and non-nazis. President is not just chief of the army and the executive branch, he's an ideological leader who represents the people and shows what kind of behavior is proper, and what is acceptable and so on. At least he should be, anyway.
- LordDragonfang 7y ago
  I get that HN doesn't do like the anti-Trump circlejerk, but you literally removed context the of that quote in order to completely change its meaning. And the comment is right there, too, so people can see you did it. >He's responsible for ICE and putting children in concentration camps Support him or not, Trump is literally responsible for the current situation with ICE and the border; the actions that led to it were practically a cornerstone of his campaign promises. When ICE was founded is irrelevant.

by glogla 7y ago

koonsolo 7y ago

Ok I was wrong, you can actually divide the world into evil or not. It's not always as clear to me and others, so can you share if following things are evil or not: Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Barack Obama.

lordlimecat 7y ago

>He's responsible for ICE In what world? ICE was created in 2003.

glogla 7y ago
I mean, yes, but 1) ICE is Executive branch and he's the chief of Executive branch (I guess the proper word would be accountable). 2) I'm pretty sure a lot of the way ICE is acting now (you know, the children in cages who are refused medical care and so on) is affected by the guy in charge being openly racist who considers non-white people subhuman, wants to build a wall and considers "good people on both sides" between nazis and non-nazis. President is not just chief of the army and the executive branch, he's an ideological leader who represents the people and shows what kind of behavior is proper, and what is acceptable and so on. At least he should be, anyway.
LordDragonfang 7y ago
I get that HN doesn't do like the anti-Trump circlejerk, but you literally removed context the of that quote in order to completely change its meaning. And the comment is right there, too, so people can see you did it. >He's responsible for ICE and putting children in concentration camps Support him or not, Trump is literally responsible for the current situation with ICE and the border; the actions that led to it were practically a cornerstone of his campaign promises. When ICE was founded is irrelevant.