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"Liberate Hong Kong, revolution of our age!" https://twitter.com/slasher/status/1181065339230130181 https://twitter.com/slasher/status/1181065339230130181

diveanon 7y ago
What is happening there is literally what has led to revolutions in several western countries over the last couple centuries. The Chinese are correct to be afraid, they have spent the last half century cleansing the concept of freedom from their society and they are terrified of what comes next. People are going to start dying publicly in HK very soon, and the rest of the world will have to decide which side of history they want to stand on. The American's needed allies to succeed in their revolution against a much more powerful nation, HK will need allies too.
- kkarakk 7y ago
  Considering how Trump bowed down before Turkey about the christian Kurd fighters issue(basically abandoning people who were promised aid in exchange for dismantling their border security), I don't think he's going to care about Hong Kong too much
  - diveanon 7y ago
    So then the real question is how do we use Trumps ego and addiction to social media to get him to start caring about HK. His "trade war" already puts him in an adversarial stance towards from the perspective of his base.
    - DagAgren 7y ago
      I struggle to imagine a situation that would be improved by adding MORE involvement by Trump.
      - diveanon 7y ago
        I can't stand the guy either, but his ability to mobilize his base can't be understated. If it can someone be framed as a choice between the freedoms that Americans have died for and bending over to a totalitarian state I think it would be possible to sway conservatives into opposing these policies.
        tveita 7y ago
        Do you want to help the people in Hong Kong or just start a war though? Having China and the US grandstanding will make it a wedge issue and decrease the chances of compromise and a peaceful solution. At some point the parts need to sit down at the table and find a solution they can all present as a win.
        diveanon 7y ago
        There is no compromise with totalitarianism. They either allow people to be free, or people die fighting for their freedom. There is no other way.
    - nabdab 7y ago
      Russia liberated Ukraine and USA will liberate Hong Kong. Makes perfect sense, and then Trump has something to one-up his good pal Putin with.
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  - turk73 7y ago
    The US spent 10 years involved in this Syria mess while all the rest of Europe/NATO sat on their freaking hands. While I empathize with the plight of the Kurds, they are really no worse off than they have ever been.
- zaphod420 7y ago
  "People are going to start dying publicly in HK" Live free or die. Fuck oppression.
  - idlewords 7y ago
    Easy to say these things when it's not your life on the line.
    - diveanon 7y ago
      Exactly, I work on at a popular tourist destination for a lot of Chinese and HK residents. I have had conversations about this over drinks with quite a few of them and the general consensus is that people will die, and all of them hope to be as far away from it as possible when it happens.

diveanon 7y ago

What is happening there is literally what has led to revolutions in several western countries over the last couple centuries. The Chinese are correct to be afraid, they have spent the last half century cleansing the concept of freedom from their society and they are terrified of what comes next. People are going to start dying publicly in HK very soon, and the rest of the world will have to decide which side of history they want to stand on. The American's needed allies to succeed in their revolution against a much more powerful nation, HK will need allies too.

kkarakk 7y ago
Considering how Trump bowed down before Turkey about the christian Kurd fighters issue(basically abandoning people who were promised aid in exchange for dismantling their border security), I don't think he's going to care about Hong Kong too much
- diveanon 7y ago
  So then the real question is how do we use Trumps ego and addiction to social media to get him to start caring about HK. His "trade war" already puts him in an adversarial stance towards from the perspective of his base.
  - DagAgren 7y ago
    I struggle to imagine a situation that would be improved by adding MORE involvement by Trump.
    - diveanon 7y ago
      I can't stand the guy either, but his ability to mobilize his base can't be understated. If it can someone be framed as a choice between the freedoms that Americans have died for and bending over to a totalitarian state I think it would be possible to sway conservatives into opposing these policies.
      - tveita 7y ago
        Do you want to help the people in Hong Kong or just start a war though? Having China and the US grandstanding will make it a wedge issue and decrease the chances of compromise and a peaceful solution. At some point the parts need to sit down at the table and find a solution they can all present as a win.
        diveanon 7y ago
        There is no compromise with totalitarianism. They either allow people to be free, or people die fighting for their freedom. There is no other way.
  - nabdab 7y ago
    Russia liberated Ukraine and USA will liberate Hong Kong. Makes perfect sense, and then Trump has something to one-up his good pal Putin with.
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- turk73 7y ago
  The US spent 10 years involved in this Syria mess while all the rest of Europe/NATO sat on their freaking hands. While I empathize with the plight of the Kurds, they are really no worse off than they have ever been.
zaphod420 7y ago
"People are going to start dying publicly in HK" Live free or die. Fuck oppression.
- idlewords 7y ago
  Easy to say these things when it's not your life on the line.
  - diveanon 7y ago
    Exactly, I work on at a popular tourist destination for a lot of Chinese and HK residents. I have had conversations about this over drinks with quite a few of them and the general consensus is that people will die, and all of them hope to be as far away from it as possible when it happens.