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This is shaping to be fun tactic in the culture war. To force corporations that want to be seen as woke in the west to bow to China which will hurt their image

This is shaping to be fun tactic in the culture war. To force corporations that want to be seen as woke in the west to bow to China which will hurt their image at home. If someone manages to do it with Nike it will be fun to watch.

dingo_bat 7y ago
What's so special about Nike?
atroche 7y ago
How is bowing to China woke? Not following.
- ReptileMan 7y ago
  You don't get it. It is not woke. That is the fun part. To make them dance morally in the chase of profit. To put them in between the blue checkmarks and the china government and to end pissing off both sides.
  - atroche 7y ago
    Oh, okay. It seems to me like being critical of the Chinese government is popular with both sides of the American political spectrum. Maybe even more so with conservatives!
    - ReptileMan 7y ago
      Yeah, but claiming moral high ground for boycotting Georgia over transgender bathrooms is hard while simultaneously doing business with China with the Uygur and Hong Kong situations.
      - atroche 7y ago
        Agreed! But (in the example of the Georgia boycott) who exactly is going to use the tactic you mentioned of forcing a company to bow to China? In concrete terms, how do you see that playing out?
        prepend 7y ago
        Not OP. But actors and companies calling for boycott of Georgia for unjust abortion laws are not voicing similar boycotts of China over HK, uyghurs, etc. I try to avoid whataboutism, but it’s hard not to notice how boycotting Georgia has a pretty negligible impact to bottom lines, but boycotting China (or even saying things like “freedom for HK”) results in being cut out of China for films. I think the reason we don’t see lots of actors talking about HK is that it could mean that if they are in a future film it will be harder to market in China. Producers know this. Actors know producers know this.
- filleokus 7y ago
  The other way around. Woke Inc. want to stay woke, but they also want to not be on the bad side of the Chinese state due to business interest there. Hence, the woke company needs to do pretty un-woke things, and their hypocrisy is exposed.
  - atroche 7y ago
    I think the part that confused me was the idea of one side in the culture war forcing companies to bow to China, as a tactical manoeuvre. I just can’t see the “unwoke” segments siding with China.
    - TeMPOraL 7y ago
      After reading further reply, I understand the idea as this: the "unwoke" side of the culture war sees a company proclaiming to be woke, and to expose them as hypocrites they do something that forces the company to either defy China or to reveal that their woke marketing is full of crap.
      - atroche 7y ago
        Gotcha, thanks. Calling that “forcing them to bow” is strange to me, but I think your reading is right :)
wei_jok 7y ago
Not sure why this is downvoted. I think it's great and we may see users deliberately do such things to get companies to ban them, which leads to bigger publicity and awareness at little expense. In this case, the player sacrificed the prize money and some e-status, but for the publicity it got, it was probably worth it.
kkarakk 7y ago
Made me laugh when Apple made a big stink about privacy BUT "chose" to headquarter their messaging servers in China under "Chinese oversight" basically compromising every iMessage user in China.This is of course labelled as "compliance" Privacy and Encryption don't mean much when the government literally controls the servers
- macintux 7y ago
  Users can still E2E encrypt their messages. As long as they choose not to store them in iCloud, they’re safe.
point78 7y ago
Nike already pulled all their Houston Rockets merchandise in China.
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navigatesol 7y ago
>If someone manages to do it with Nike it will be fun to watch. It just happened with the NBA: https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/08/asia/nba-china-houston-rockets-intl-hnk-scli/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/08/asia/nba-china-houston-rocket... They pulled the 2017 All-Star game from Charlotte over transgender bathroom laws, but bent over for China when a prominent manager spoke out in support of Hong Kong. Utterly spineless.
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dingo_bat 7y ago

What's so special about Nike?

atroche 7y ago

How is bowing to China woke? Not following.

ReptileMan 7y ago
You don't get it. It is not woke. That is the fun part. To make them dance morally in the chase of profit. To put them in between the blue checkmarks and the china government and to end pissing off both sides.
- atroche 7y ago
  Oh, okay. It seems to me like being critical of the Chinese government is popular with both sides of the American political spectrum. Maybe even more so with conservatives!
  - ReptileMan 7y ago
    Yeah, but claiming moral high ground for boycotting Georgia over transgender bathrooms is hard while simultaneously doing business with China with the Uygur and Hong Kong situations.
    - atroche 7y ago
      Agreed! But (in the example of the Georgia boycott) who exactly is going to use the tactic you mentioned of forcing a company to bow to China? In concrete terms, how do you see that playing out?
      - prepend 7y ago
        Not OP. But actors and companies calling for boycott of Georgia for unjust abortion laws are not voicing similar boycotts of China over HK, uyghurs, etc. I try to avoid whataboutism, but it’s hard not to notice how boycotting Georgia has a pretty negligible impact to bottom lines, but boycotting China (or even saying things like “freedom for HK”) results in being cut out of China for films. I think the reason we don’t see lots of actors talking about HK is that it could mean that if they are in a future film it will be harder to market in China. Producers know this. Actors know producers know this.
filleokus 7y ago
The other way around. Woke Inc. want to stay woke, but they also want to not be on the bad side of the Chinese state due to business interest there. Hence, the woke company needs to do pretty un-woke things, and their hypocrisy is exposed.
- atroche 7y ago
  I think the part that confused me was the idea of one side in the culture war forcing companies to bow to China, as a tactical manoeuvre. I just can’t see the “unwoke” segments siding with China.
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    After reading further reply, I understand the idea as this: the "unwoke" side of the culture war sees a company proclaiming to be woke, and to expose them as hypocrites they do something that forces the company to either defy China or to reveal that their woke marketing is full of crap.
    - atroche 7y ago
      Gotcha, thanks. Calling that “forcing them to bow” is strange to me, but I think your reading is right :)

wei_jok 7y ago

Not sure why this is downvoted. I think it's great and we may see users deliberately do such things to get companies to ban them, which leads to bigger publicity and awareness at little expense. In this case, the player sacrificed the prize money and some e-status, but for the publicity it got, it was probably worth it.

kkarakk 7y ago

Made me laugh when Apple made a big stink about privacy BUT "chose" to headquarter their messaging servers in China under "Chinese oversight" basically compromising every iMessage user in China.This is of course labelled as "compliance" Privacy and Encryption don't mean much when the government literally controls the servers

macintux 7y ago
Users can still E2E encrypt their messages. As long as they choose not to store them in iCloud, they’re safe.

point78 7y ago

Nike already pulled all their Houston Rockets merchandise in China.

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navigatesol 7y ago

>If someone manages to do it with Nike it will be fun to watch. It just happened with the NBA: https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/08/asia/nba-china-houston-rockets-intl-hnk-scli/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/08/asia/nba-china-houston-rocket... They pulled the 2017 All-Star game from Charlotte over transgender bathroom laws, but bent over for China when a prominent manager spoke out in support of Hong Kong. Utterly spineless.

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