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Seems reasonable that they don't want to allow players to push their politics using the official Blizzard streams. They are free to do so in their spare time.

by mwyah 7y ago

Seems reasonable that they don't want to allow players to push their politics using the official Blizzard streams. They are free to do so in their spare time. What do you think Blizzard would do if some guy wore a MAGA hat in an official stream?

glogla 7y ago
Into your message is built the assumption that all "politics" is the same. That's not the case. And further, pretending that oppression and fascism and ethnic cleansing is the same as fighting against those things, because oppressing and murdering people is just another "politics" and not something special, is by itself pro-fascist and evil stance.
- maxehmookau 7y ago
  > Into your message is built the assumption that all "politics" is the same. Don't say things like that on HN. They don't like it...
- mwyah 7y ago
  >Into your message is built the assumption that all "politics" is the same. Not really: there are politics I agree with and politics I disagree with. That doesn't mean that I believe Blizzard should give a loudspeaker to those who agree with me. I think that's stupid because it could turn against me at some point. Some people seem not to think ahead.
BigJ1211 7y ago
They interview the player/person, what they stand for is their own prerogative. It isn't up to Blizzard to dictate what people should think or are allowed to say on issues such as human rights. It is their right to ban someone for what they deem 'misconduct' though, so yes they are in their rights doing what they did here. They will also have to deal with the consequences of that decision, a lot of people are cancelling their subscriptions and deleting their blizzard accounts. This will probably not impact them much, but hopefully there will get big enough that it does.
- mwyah 7y ago
  "Human rights" = politics. Blizzard can choose what they broadcast using their streams. I'm sure if someone decided to wear a tshirt with a fasces in it you'd agree... but since this is on the other side of the spectrum of politics, you disagree. Honestly, very short-sighted.
diveanon 7y ago
Absolutely nothing, because in the US we have freedom of speech codified into our constitution. Unlike China.
- jackvalentine 7y ago
  > Article 35. Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration.
  - kkarakk 7y ago
    Which part of their constitution mentions the gulags they sent their muslims/protestors to?
    - jackvalentine 7y ago
      Article 36. Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of religious belief.
  - diveanon 7y ago
    That's completely true, except for the fact that none of it is true. Go to China and openly criticize the government, hand out fliers about Tienanmen square with Winnie the Pooh on it and see what happens. God forbid you actually are a citizen of China, because as a foreigner you will be put in a detention center until deported. As a citizen you will disappear.
    - deleted 7y ago
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    - atroche 7y ago
      I think GP was responding to the way you said “codified into the constitution” as if that were the main differentiating factor (whereas it’s clearly not, because China also codified freedom of speech).
    - 7y ago
tareqak 7y ago
Make Azeroth Great Again [0]? You could by them at https://shop.esfand.tv/ https://shop.esfand.tv/ before, but it’s currently under construction (the website’s <title></title> still has it in the name). [0] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=494dkjXL3p4 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=494dkjXL3p4
atroche 7y ago
It’s reasonable from the perspective of maximising profit, sure. And it’s true that they’re (as far as I know) consistently applying a rule they set out a long time ago. But that doesn’t make it the right decision, morally. Sometimes rules should be broken.
- ryanlol 7y ago
  >And it’s true that they’re (as far as I know) consistently applying a rule they set out a long time ago. Have they ever enforced this rule in the past? If not, it's difficult to speak of consistency.
  - atroche 7y ago
    I think it also hinges on whether or not previous players have made “offensive” statements before. If it’s only happened once and they’ve punished it once, I think that’s as consistent as possible. Although of course there’s a lot wriggle room re definition of “offensive”, which muddies the waters.
wallace_f 7y ago
Not Blizzard, but in pro Dota, one of their champions, PPD, was wearing his MAGA hat with no repurcussions during last election cycle. Valve is also pretty bad about bootlicking Chinese authorities, so I don't think this comparison works.

by mwyah 7y ago

glogla 7y ago

Into your message is built the assumption that all "politics" is the same. That's not the case. And further, pretending that oppression and fascism and ethnic cleansing is the same as fighting against those things, because oppressing and murdering people is just another "politics" and not something special, is by itself pro-fascist and evil stance.

maxehmookau 7y ago
> Into your message is built the assumption that all "politics" is the same. Don't say things like that on HN. They don't like it...
mwyah 7y ago
>Into your message is built the assumption that all "politics" is the same. Not really: there are politics I agree with and politics I disagree with. That doesn't mean that I believe Blizzard should give a loudspeaker to those who agree with me. I think that's stupid because it could turn against me at some point. Some people seem not to think ahead.

BigJ1211 7y ago

They interview the player/person, what they stand for is their own prerogative. It isn't up to Blizzard to dictate what people should think or are allowed to say on issues such as human rights. It is their right to ban someone for what they deem 'misconduct' though, so yes they are in their rights doing what they did here. They will also have to deal with the consequences of that decision, a lot of people are cancelling their subscriptions and deleting their blizzard accounts. This will probably not impact them much, but hopefully there will get big enough that it does.

mwyah 7y ago
"Human rights" = politics. Blizzard can choose what they broadcast using their streams. I'm sure if someone decided to wear a tshirt with a fasces in it you'd agree... but since this is on the other side of the spectrum of politics, you disagree. Honestly, very short-sighted.

diveanon 7y ago

Absolutely nothing, because in the US we have freedom of speech codified into our constitution. Unlike China.

jackvalentine 7y ago
> Article 35. Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration.
- kkarakk 7y ago
  Which part of their constitution mentions the gulags they sent their muslims/protestors to?
  - jackvalentine 7y ago
    Article 36. Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of religious belief.
- diveanon 7y ago
  That's completely true, except for the fact that none of it is true. Go to China and openly criticize the government, hand out fliers about Tienanmen square with Winnie the Pooh on it and see what happens. God forbid you actually are a citizen of China, because as a foreigner you will be put in a detention center until deported. As a citizen you will disappear.
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
  - atroche 7y ago
    I think GP was responding to the way you said “codified into the constitution” as if that were the main differentiating factor (whereas it’s clearly not, because China also codified freedom of speech).
  - 7y ago

tareqak 7y ago

Make Azeroth Great Again [0]? You could by them at https://shop.esfand.tv/ https://shop.esfand.tv/ before, but it’s currently under construction (the website’s <title></title> still has it in the name). [0] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=494dkjXL3p4 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=494dkjXL3p4

atroche 7y ago

It’s reasonable from the perspective of maximising profit, sure. And it’s true that they’re (as far as I know) consistently applying a rule they set out a long time ago. But that doesn’t make it the right decision, morally. Sometimes rules should be broken.

ryanlol 7y ago
>And it’s true that they’re (as far as I know) consistently applying a rule they set out a long time ago. Have they ever enforced this rule in the past? If not, it's difficult to speak of consistency.
- atroche 7y ago
  I think it also hinges on whether or not previous players have made “offensive” statements before. If it’s only happened once and they’ve punished it once, I think that’s as consistent as possible. Although of course there’s a lot wriggle room re definition of “offensive”, which muddies the waters.

wallace_f 7y ago

Not Blizzard, but in pro Dota, one of their champions, PPD, was wearing his MAGA hat with no repurcussions during last election cycle. Valve is also pretty bad about bootlicking Chinese authorities, so I don't think this comparison works.