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Result is very similar, which is all that matters. In a way it's even worse, because they pretend to be a free country and shit (while doing repression even mor

Result is very similar, which is all that matters. In a way it's even worse, because they pretend to be a free country and shit (while doing repression even more violently than chinese or russian governements). China at least is not pretending that.

boudin 7y ago
The result is absolutly not similar since there is no censorship at all. This is even the oposite since those epsiodes are available... If you're not happy with Netflix deciding to filter what's available, just stop using netflix.
- audessuscest 7y ago
  it is similar, that does not mean it's the same. Show me where to watch these episodes in France now...(legally) Also, I'm sure it's pretty easy to watch the censored episode in China... So yeah, very similar. Another example in France is Soral who got one year jail for sharing a music video about Gilet Jaune[1]. Whatever you think about him, it's what we can call political repression. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxFchAvqwK4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxFchAvqwK4
  - boudin 7y ago
    Now you're just saying pure bullshit. Soral is in jail for exactly "provocation to discrimination, hatred or violence against Jews". Freedom of speech doesn't remove any responsibility behind it. Looking at all the hate speech and racists lies this guy have been spreading for years, it's even surprising he avoided this kind of sentence before. This is the result of more than 20 sentences since 2008, mostly for "negationisme" (negating that the holocaust happened, which is not legal in france), publishing antisemitic caricatures, hate speech and other things. The list is available here, in french: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Soral#Condamnations https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Soral#Condamnations
    - audessuscest 7y ago
      You're just lying, he's been condemned for sharing the video : https://www.nouvelobs.com/justice/20190919.OBS18677/alain-soral-condamne-a-18-mois-ferme-pour-un-clip-de-rap-antisemite.html https://www.nouvelobs.com/justice/20190919.OBS18677/alain-so... Video which btw have nothing antisemite... but if you want to kill your dog, accuse him of having rabies... Oh and it's not 1 year sorry, it's 18 months.
  - boudin 7y ago
    Oh, and for your censorship claims: https://www.amazon.fr/s?k=south+park+saison+10&__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&ref=nb_sb_noss_1 https://www.amazon.fr/s?k=south+park+saison+10&__mk_fr_FR=%C...
- baud147258 7y ago
  The two episodes about Muhammad are actually censored in France and are not present in the DVD sold in France: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park#Épisodes_censurés_en_France https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park#Épisodes_censurés_e...
  - boudin 7y ago
    Oh true. I'm a bit surprised about the claim of the CSA censoring an episode since it doesn't have this power at all (it can only act once something has been broadcasted). Looks more like TF1 and Gameone decided not to publish those. I wonder if another publisher could acquire the right and actually publish those.
legopelle 7y ago
> while doing repression even more violently than chinese or russian governements Source on that?
- audessuscest 7y ago
  https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1141568/yellow-vest-protests-emmanuel-macron-protests-france-news-gilets-jaunes https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1141568/yellow-vest-...
  - boudin 7y ago
    I do not support the way the french government dealt with the yellow vest protests, but you cannot compare it with countries where opposing the government gets you systematically arrested and no free press exists. It's not because some of the actions of the french government are really questionable that the situation is the same
    - audessuscest 7y ago
      hmm yes you can, it's a shame for France to have mutilated that many people only for doing demonstration. WHILE LETTING OTHER PEOPLE BREAKS EVERYTHING FREELY.
  - htfu 7y ago
    Article leads with 11 dead and "Macron chaos". But with deaths being caused not by police but traffic, wouldn't that imply that response has been far too muted, rather than overboard? What are you actually trying to say?
Sammi 7y ago
Censored in China. Not censored in France. Looks like different results to me.

boudin 7y ago

The result is absolutly not similar since there is no censorship at all. This is even the oposite since those epsiodes are available... If you're not happy with Netflix deciding to filter what's available, just stop using netflix.

audessuscest 7y ago
it is similar, that does not mean it's the same. Show me where to watch these episodes in France now...(legally) Also, I'm sure it's pretty easy to watch the censored episode in China... So yeah, very similar. Another example in France is Soral who got one year jail for sharing a music video about Gilet Jaune[1]. Whatever you think about him, it's what we can call political repression. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxFchAvqwK4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxFchAvqwK4
- boudin 7y ago
  Now you're just saying pure bullshit. Soral is in jail for exactly "provocation to discrimination, hatred or violence against Jews". Freedom of speech doesn't remove any responsibility behind it. Looking at all the hate speech and racists lies this guy have been spreading for years, it's even surprising he avoided this kind of sentence before. This is the result of more than 20 sentences since 2008, mostly for "negationisme" (negating that the holocaust happened, which is not legal in france), publishing antisemitic caricatures, hate speech and other things. The list is available here, in french: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Soral#Condamnations https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Soral#Condamnations
  - audessuscest 7y ago
    You're just lying, he's been condemned for sharing the video : https://www.nouvelobs.com/justice/20190919.OBS18677/alain-soral-condamne-a-18-mois-ferme-pour-un-clip-de-rap-antisemite.html https://www.nouvelobs.com/justice/20190919.OBS18677/alain-so... Video which btw have nothing antisemite... but if you want to kill your dog, accuse him of having rabies... Oh and it's not 1 year sorry, it's 18 months.
- boudin 7y ago
  Oh, and for your censorship claims: https://www.amazon.fr/s?k=south+park+saison+10&__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&ref=nb_sb_noss_1 https://www.amazon.fr/s?k=south+park+saison+10&__mk_fr_FR=%C...
baud147258 7y ago
The two episodes about Muhammad are actually censored in France and are not present in the DVD sold in France: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park#Épisodes_censurés_en_France https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park#Épisodes_censurés_e...
- boudin 7y ago
  Oh true. I'm a bit surprised about the claim of the CSA censoring an episode since it doesn't have this power at all (it can only act once something has been broadcasted). Looks more like TF1 and Gameone decided not to publish those. I wonder if another publisher could acquire the right and actually publish those.

legopelle 7y ago

> while doing repression even more violently than chinese or russian governements Source on that?

audessuscest 7y ago
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1141568/yellow-vest-protests-emmanuel-macron-protests-france-news-gilets-jaunes https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1141568/yellow-vest-...
- boudin 7y ago
  I do not support the way the french government dealt with the yellow vest protests, but you cannot compare it with countries where opposing the government gets you systematically arrested and no free press exists. It's not because some of the actions of the french government are really questionable that the situation is the same
  - audessuscest 7y ago
    hmm yes you can, it's a shame for France to have mutilated that many people only for doing demonstration. WHILE LETTING OTHER PEOPLE BREAKS EVERYTHING FREELY.
- htfu 7y ago
  Article leads with 11 dead and "Macron chaos". But with deaths being caused not by police but traffic, wouldn't that imply that response has been far too muted, rather than overboard? What are you actually trying to say?

Sammi 7y ago

Censored in China. Not censored in France. Looks like different results to me.