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Of course it's about money! However the problem is because the situation in HK is not as straight forward as people think. I would recommend everyone watch this

Of course it's about money! However the problem is because the situation in HK is not as straight forward as people think. I would recommend everyone watch this video before making any judgements or comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPYuGYLesx0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPYuGYLesx0 SCMP has been for the past few months been very supportive of the "protests", so I am not even sure why they put this video up in the first place. As we can see, these guys are not the "peaceful protesters" people would like you to believe, but more rioters or even terrorists (yeah, they threatened a 70 yr old lady). So I would say at this stage expressing support for these guys in HK are like supporting the Sandy Hook conspiracies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting_conspiracy_theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_s... which I would imagine a similar response from the NBA.

deanCommie 7y ago
What kind of b.s. is this?? All you do is post disingenuous commentary about the nature of the protest feeding directly into the CCP's propaganda about what is happening. If you are a Chinese sock puppet - fine - carry on with your job. If you are sheltered behind the great firewall or fear for your family's safety or your own social credit score - fine - i sympathize. But if you are living in the west, and are deluded and brainwashed - i pity you and humanity's future...
- jialutu 7y ago
  I live in the UK buddy! Here is what I see of democracy, UK PM, voted in by less than 100k pensioners, at the same time, outside my office here in London we have a church that operates as a food bank! Tell me, who is being disingenuous at this stage? People who just cry democracy as Casus Belli to destroy their own city (heck even other people's countries), or would you rather try to look for the actual underlying problems? From what I've seen, democracy is certainly not doing a good job at that. Brainwashed, yeah, I agree with Mark Twaine: If You Don’t Read the Newspaper You Are Uninformed, If You Do Read the Newspaper You Are Misinformed That quote about the misinformed part is certainly true in the west (or at least the UK where I live).
  - genuin43 7y ago
    Thanks for answering the other poster about where you're living. He shouldn't have accused you of being coerced or paid, but he was as polite as possible about it. Here on HN, we usually tell each other when we have some involvement with a topic we're discussing. For example if we own stock in a company we're discussing, or when we work for a company or its compititor. This helps us judge each other's comments. Would you make a statement about whether you do or don't work for China (including through a shell company). I am not accusing you of anything, I'd just like to understand your comments better.
yorwba 7y ago
> However the problem is because the situation in HK is not as straight forward as people think. Agreed. > SCMP has been for the past few months been very supportive of the "protests", so I am not even sure why they put this video up in the first place. As we can see, these guys are not the "peaceful protesters" people would like you to believe, but more rioters or even terrorists The masked, armed people in the video may be terrorists, but have you considered that the SCMP is doing a form of nonviolent protest? That if all protesters were terrorists, they'd have a larger army than the Islamic State ever had? The fact that the Hong Kong government remains in power despite their inferior numbers shows that most protesters disapprove of violent tactics just as much as you do. You seem to have realized that a black-and-white view like "protesters are good, they should be supported" is too simple and requires more nuance, but then you went and replaced it with the black-and-white "protesters are bad, they should not be supported." I think a better alternative is "some protesters are good, they should be supported; other protesters are bad, they should not be supported." Spend some time figuring out who fits in each bucket. Treating groups of people as single entities with a unified will is only going to lead to confusion when they don't act like one. (That applies also to the Hong Kong police, the Hong Kong government, the Chinese Communist Party, Chinese people, and other participants in this conflict.)

deanCommie 7y ago

What kind of b.s. is this?? All you do is post disingenuous commentary about the nature of the protest feeding directly into the CCP's propaganda about what is happening. If you are a Chinese sock puppet - fine - carry on with your job. If you are sheltered behind the great firewall or fear for your family's safety or your own social credit score - fine - i sympathize. But if you are living in the west, and are deluded and brainwashed - i pity you and humanity's future...

jialutu 7y ago
I live in the UK buddy! Here is what I see of democracy, UK PM, voted in by less than 100k pensioners, at the same time, outside my office here in London we have a church that operates as a food bank! Tell me, who is being disingenuous at this stage? People who just cry democracy as Casus Belli to destroy their own city (heck even other people's countries), or would you rather try to look for the actual underlying problems? From what I've seen, democracy is certainly not doing a good job at that. Brainwashed, yeah, I agree with Mark Twaine: If You Don’t Read the Newspaper You Are Uninformed, If You Do Read the Newspaper You Are Misinformed That quote about the misinformed part is certainly true in the west (or at least the UK where I live).
- genuin43 7y ago
  Thanks for answering the other poster about where you're living. He shouldn't have accused you of being coerced or paid, but he was as polite as possible about it. Here on HN, we usually tell each other when we have some involvement with a topic we're discussing. For example if we own stock in a company we're discussing, or when we work for a company or its compititor. This helps us judge each other's comments. Would you make a statement about whether you do or don't work for China (including through a shell company). I am not accusing you of anything, I'd just like to understand your comments better.

yorwba 7y ago

> However the problem is because the situation in HK is not as straight forward as people think. Agreed. > SCMP has been for the past few months been very supportive of the "protests", so I am not even sure why they put this video up in the first place. As we can see, these guys are not the "peaceful protesters" people would like you to believe, but more rioters or even terrorists The masked, armed people in the video may be terrorists, but have you considered that the SCMP is doing a form of nonviolent protest? That if all protesters were terrorists, they'd have a larger army than the Islamic State ever had? The fact that the Hong Kong government remains in power despite their inferior numbers shows that most protesters disapprove of violent tactics just as much as you do. You seem to have realized that a black-and-white view like "protesters are good, they should be supported" is too simple and requires more nuance, but then you went and replaced it with the black-and-white "protesters are bad, they should not be supported." I think a better alternative is "some protesters are good, they should be supported; other protesters are bad, they should not be supported." Spend some time figuring out who fits in each bucket. Treating groups of people as single entities with a unified will is only going to lead to confusion when they don't act like one. (That applies also to the Hong Kong police, the Hong Kong government, the Chinese Communist Party, Chinese people, and other participants in this conflict.)