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In France, there's 10 Southpark episodes censored, and no one cares. Also in France, repression against Gilet Jaunes was way more intense and there was less cov

In France, there's 10 Southpark episodes censored, and no one cares. Also in France, repression against Gilet Jaunes was way more intense and there was less coverage, even on social medias...

paganel 7y ago
Because Macron is one of “our guys”. Also, the way the recent Rouen chemical accident got treated by the people in charge and by the mainstream media there is a joke, had this happened in a country like China or Russia the international media would have rightfully been up in arms. These types of double standards really make our liberal/democratic society weaker and prone to populist attacks and even wins from within our own ranks, no need for a Russian or Chinese invasion or cyber-war.
boudin 7y ago
That's not really the situation about South Park, Netflix chose to not make those episodes not available, there is no censorship from the CSA. Nerflix claim that those episodes were censored originally was false as those were broadcasted on Gameone. The only thing that happened then is that the channel got a warning that (for 2 of those) the episodes should have been broadcasted after 22 and rated +12 due to the content. https://information.tv5monde.com/info/netflix-zappe-des-episodes-de-south-park-en-france-325597 https://information.tv5monde.com/info/netflix-zappe-des-epis... (in french)
- audessuscest 7y ago
  Result is very similar, which is all that matters. In a way it's even worse, because they pretend to be a free country and shit (while doing repression even more violently than chinese or russian governements). China at least is not pretending that.
  - boudin 7y ago
    The result is absolutly not similar since there is no censorship at all. This is even the oposite since those epsiodes are available... If you're not happy with Netflix deciding to filter what's available, just stop using netflix.
    - audessuscest 7y ago
      it is similar, that does not mean it's the same. Show me where to watch these episodes in France now...(legally) Also, I'm sure it's pretty easy to watch the censored episode in China... So yeah, very similar. Another example in France is Soral who got one year jail for sharing a music video about Gilet Jaune[1]. Whatever you think about him, it's what we can call political repression. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxFchAvqwK4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxFchAvqwK4
      - boudin 7y ago
        Now you're just saying pure bullshit. Soral is in jail for exactly "provocation to discrimination, hatred or violence against Jews". Freedom of speech doesn't remove any responsibility behind it. Looking at all the hate speech and racists lies this guy have been spreading for years, it's even surprising he avoided this kind of sentence before. This is the result of more than 20 sentences since 2008, mostly for "negationisme" (negating that the holocaust happened, which is not legal in france), publishing antisemitic caricatures, hate speech and other things. The list is available here, in french: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Soral#Condamnations https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Soral#Condamnations
        audessuscest 7y ago
        You're just lying, he's been condemned for sharing the video : https://www.nouvelobs.com/justice/20190919.OBS18677/alain-soral-condamne-a-18-mois-ferme-pour-un-clip-de-rap-antisemite.html https://www.nouvelobs.com/justice/20190919.OBS18677/alain-so... Video which btw have nothing antisemite... but if you want to kill your dog, accuse him of having rabies... Oh and it's not 1 year sorry, it's 18 months.
      - boudin 7y ago
        Oh, and for your censorship claims: https://www.amazon.fr/s?k=south+park+saison+10&__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&ref=nb_sb_noss_1 https://www.amazon.fr/s?k=south+park+saison+10&__mk_fr_FR=%C...
    - 7y ago
  - legopelle 7y ago
    > while doing repression even more violently than chinese or russian governements Source on that?
    - audessuscest 7y ago
      https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1141568/yellow-vest-protests-emmanuel-macron-protests-france-news-gilets-jaunes https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1141568/yellow-vest-...
      - boudin 7y ago
        I do not support the way the french government dealt with the yellow vest protests, but you cannot compare it with countries where opposing the government gets you systematically arrested and no free press exists. It's not because some of the actions of the french government are really questionable that the situation is the same
        audessuscest 7y ago
        hmm yes you can, it's a shame for France to have mutilated that many people only for doing demonstration. WHILE LETTING OTHER PEOPLE BREAKS EVERYTHING FREELY.
      - htfu 7y ago
        Article leads with 11 dead and "Macron chaos". But with deaths being caused not by police but traffic, wouldn't that imply that response has been far too muted, rather than overboard? What are you actually trying to say?
  - Sammi 7y ago
    Censored in China. Not censored in France. Looks like different results to me.

In France, there's 10 Southpark episodes censored, and no one cares. Also in France, repression against Gilet Jaunes was way more intense and there was less coverage, even on social medias...

paganel 7y ago

Because Macron is one of “our guys”. Also, the way the recent Rouen chemical accident got treated by the people in charge and by the mainstream media there is a joke, had this happened in a country like China or Russia the international media would have rightfully been up in arms. These types of double standards really make our liberal/democratic society weaker and prone to populist attacks and even wins from within our own ranks, no need for a Russian or Chinese invasion or cyber-war.

boudin 7y ago

That's not really the situation about South Park, Netflix chose to not make those episodes not available, there is no censorship from the CSA. Nerflix claim that those episodes were censored originally was false as those were broadcasted on Gameone. The only thing that happened then is that the channel got a warning that (for 2 of those) the episodes should have been broadcasted after 22 and rated +12 due to the content. https://information.tv5monde.com/info/netflix-zappe-des-episodes-de-south-park-en-france-325597 https://information.tv5monde.com/info/netflix-zappe-des-epis... (in french)

audessuscest 7y ago
Result is very similar, which is all that matters. In a way it's even worse, because they pretend to be a free country and shit (while doing repression even more violently than chinese or russian governements). China at least is not pretending that.
- boudin 7y ago
  The result is absolutly not similar since there is no censorship at all. This is even the oposite since those epsiodes are available... If you're not happy with Netflix deciding to filter what's available, just stop using netflix.
  - audessuscest 7y ago
    it is similar, that does not mean it's the same. Show me where to watch these episodes in France now...(legally) Also, I'm sure it's pretty easy to watch the censored episode in China... So yeah, very similar. Another example in France is Soral who got one year jail for sharing a music video about Gilet Jaune[1]. Whatever you think about him, it's what we can call political repression. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxFchAvqwK4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxFchAvqwK4
    - boudin 7y ago
      Now you're just saying pure bullshit. Soral is in jail for exactly "provocation to discrimination, hatred or violence against Jews". Freedom of speech doesn't remove any responsibility behind it. Looking at all the hate speech and racists lies this guy have been spreading for years, it's even surprising he avoided this kind of sentence before. This is the result of more than 20 sentences since 2008, mostly for "negationisme" (negating that the holocaust happened, which is not legal in france), publishing antisemitic caricatures, hate speech and other things. The list is available here, in french: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Soral#Condamnations https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Soral#Condamnations
      - audessuscest 7y ago
        You're just lying, he's been condemned for sharing the video : https://www.nouvelobs.com/justice/20190919.OBS18677/alain-soral-condamne-a-18-mois-ferme-pour-un-clip-de-rap-antisemite.html https://www.nouvelobs.com/justice/20190919.OBS18677/alain-so... Video which btw have nothing antisemite... but if you want to kill your dog, accuse him of having rabies... Oh and it's not 1 year sorry, it's 18 months.
    - boudin 7y ago
      Oh, and for your censorship claims: https://www.amazon.fr/s?k=south+park+saison+10&__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&ref=nb_sb_noss_1 https://www.amazon.fr/s?k=south+park+saison+10&__mk_fr_FR=%C...
  - 7y ago
- legopelle 7y ago
  > while doing repression even more violently than chinese or russian governements Source on that?
  - audessuscest 7y ago
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1141568/yellow-vest-protests-emmanuel-macron-protests-france-news-gilets-jaunes https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1141568/yellow-vest-...
    - boudin 7y ago
      I do not support the way the french government dealt with the yellow vest protests, but you cannot compare it with countries where opposing the government gets you systematically arrested and no free press exists. It's not because some of the actions of the french government are really questionable that the situation is the same
      - audessuscest 7y ago
        hmm yes you can, it's a shame for France to have mutilated that many people only for doing demonstration. WHILE LETTING OTHER PEOPLE BREAKS EVERYTHING FREELY.
    - htfu 7y ago
      Article leads with 11 dead and "Macron chaos". But with deaths being caused not by police but traffic, wouldn't that imply that response has been far too muted, rather than overboard? What are you actually trying to say?
- Sammi 7y ago
  Censored in China. Not censored in France. Looks like different results to me.