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'“The days are coming when we will have satellites in the sky that can monitor any facility on this planet,” said Rob Jackson, who heads Stanford University’s E
by olivermarks 7y ago
'“The days are coming when we will have satellites in the sky that can monitor any facility on this planet,” said Rob Jackson, who heads Stanford University’s Earth system science department. “I’m quite excited about that. The environmental community will be able to watchdog any facility on Earth. I think everyone will benefit.”'
This is a potential taxation and fining powerhouse. Penalty payments for 'leaking' carbon dioxide will be mana from heaven for the UN IPCC carbon credits lobbyists.
- mturmon 7y agoIt's just closing the loop on negative externalities, right?
- oska 7y agoI understand you're taking a critical stance but I see pollution taxes as one of the best forms of taxation, as they 1) obviously cut down on pollution and 2) increase efficiency and productivity. Obviously who receives the taxes and how they are distributed is a very big and important question. But that question does not itself invalidate the idea of taxation of pollution.
- olivermarks 7y agoThe trillion [insert currency denomination here] question is what 'pollution' is.
- adrianN 7y agoI'm pretty sure that every sensible person agrees that GHGs are pollution. That question is settled for at least thirty years now.
- ericd 7y agoHow about any emission into the air/water/ground that changes the composition of the medium you're emitting into?
- JetSpiegel 7y agoSo, breathing?
- snagglegaggle 7y agoThe main problem I see is that these taxes serve as a friction to conducting business. That is, after all, the intent, but if they only apply locally and there is no international enforcement mechanism (there can't and won't be) then this will disadvantage more our already failing economies. Killing people, even indirectly, is already illegal. We need enforcement (esp. abroad) and not more laws. Show me that there is a tractable enforcement mechanism for these taxes in other countries and I might support them.
- Taniwha 7y agoEssentially polluting businesses are externalizing some of their costs to the public purse (who eventually have to clean up after them) - these are not really taxes, they are simply those externalized costs that they should have been paying in the first place. Really we should be criminalizing this behavior. It's not any different that the city turning up on your front doorstep with the bags of rubbish you dumped on the side of the road and charging you for the cost of cleaning it up
- snagglegaggle 7y agoYes, I'm aware. But as this adds cost businesses are incentivized to move operations elsewhere where externalities are not taxed. That is why I asked "what is the enforcement mechanism in other countries?" If it is just applied internally it disadvantages the host country.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 7y agoCountries enforcing locally can apply tariffs to foreign companies violating emissions.
- oska 7y agoThe EU is already discussing how to implement a 'carbon border tax' [1]. I believe other political entities have also looked at such import levies on goods coming from external domains where pollution taxes are lower or non existent. With pollution of the atmosphere there is also a case for making the atmosphere itself a legal person that is 'damaged' by pollution and paid redress. Personally I'm interested in this kind of idea but it's probably extending the scope of this particular discussion too far. [1] https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-mulls-a-carbon-border-tax/ https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-mulls-a-carbon-border...