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The meat-eating utilitarian vegetarian tries to pick meat from larger animals over smaller animals. Since you get more meat per unit of pain inflicted. So Bee
by fouc 7y ago
The meat-eating utilitarian vegetarian tries to pick meat from larger animals over smaller animals. Since you get more meat per unit of pain inflicted.
So Beef > Pork > Chicken. But if pigs can be bred to be as big as cows that helps a lot!
- maxerickson 7y agoThe definition of vegetarian stretches ever further. I guess you could just strike that word without changing your meaning.
- ASalazarMX 7y agoI think it's helpful, if it describes people who would prefer a full vegetarian diet, but understand that humans are omnivorous and need meat from time to time.
- Skunkleton 7y agoThere are plenty of ways to express that you value vegetarianism without making false or misleading titles. Part-time vegetarian would be fine.
- mc32 7y agoYeah but people readily accept almond milk and rice milk, etc... and say, “language changes.” And vegetarian “sausages”.
- Skunkleton 7y agoSure, but I would be pretty annoyed if someone sold me almond milk as "utilitarian milk".
- Skunkleton 7y agoOh, and also many countries do not allow almond milk to be labeled as milk in any way.
- ASalazarMX 7y agoBehold the "Impossible Milk"!
- delecti 7y agoWe don't though. You can be perfectly healthy without ever eating meat. The only vitamins that humans "need" to eat meat to get (basically vitamin B12, and sometimes D) are only present in factory farmed animals because they're supplemented in those animals' diets. Skip a step and just take those same supplements yourself.
- NCWV 7y agoIron
- garmaine 7y agoChildren need to eat meat.
- arcticfox 7y agoWhat? I eat meat, but this comment makes no sense. I have a number of healthy friends that have never touched meat in their lives.
- garmaine 7y agohttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912628/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912628/ “Need” was perhaps a strong word. But basically if one eats a strictly vegan diet during growth years without supplements, they WILL develop malnutrition related disorders and/or stunted growth. It is the recommendation of pediatricians to feed kids some meat so as to provide a natural source of essential vitamins and minerals. Kids who do not eat meat need to be screened for various malnutrition, growth, and eating disorders.
- hthtegr 7y agoMy children and 5 and 3 and have (almost) never eaten meat, eggs or dairy. Tested regularily in a world class health system and they are stellar in every way. B12 supplimentation is pretty trivial.
- nkoren 7y agoHow long exactly is "from time to time"? 'Cause it's been 36 years for me and I haven't felt the need for meat yet...
- taneq 7y agoThe word for people who eat meat from time to time is ‘omnivorous’. Throw an ‘ethical’ or whatever in there if you really feel that they deserve back-pats for ‘preferring’ a vegetarian diet despite ignoring that preference when actually choosing which foods to eat.
- throwaway07Ju19 7y agoAs someone who accidentally killed a small bull while working on a free range ranch, I can tell you that cows are surprisingly sentient and sensitive. The dead yearling's mother-cow howl-moo'ed the rest of the day and into the late evening. Her moos of agony still haunt me. I defy you to find 1 chicken in 1000 that is capable of suffering this at this level.
- GhettoMaestro 7y agoThere was an article I read a while back about a guy in Europe who raises cows until they are like 20-years of age (the end of their life). When they are getting near the end of their natural lifespan, they are then slaughtered and and sold. He denied they are his "pets", but you can tell that caring for a life-form for 10-20 years definitely will cause a bond to develop. It made me think that cows really are just big dogs. But big dogs that we have taken to eating, unfortunately. I'm not sure I want to keep eating pork and beef. I do eat a lot of chicken these days in lieu of that anyways.
- wil421 7y agoIf it was chickens they’d be doing the killing instead of you. They don’t call it pecking order for a reason.
- mr_toad 7y agoIf there were one ton chickens running around they’d probably be killing us. They’re not that far removed from their ancestors.
- yesenadam 7y agoThere were half-ton "chickens" in Australia 5 million years ago. 10 feet tall! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dromornis_stirtoni https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dromornis_stirtoni Or the even heavier Elephant birds in Madagascar until 800 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_bird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_bird
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- ethbro 7y agoIronically, the exact inverse of carbon emissions per meat species. Chicken < Pork << Beef
- dpau 7y agoPersonally I'd prefer to order it in terms of sentience & intelligence as well, which still leaves us with chicken for dinner..
- ethbro 7y agoMy dad was a poultry pathologist. Spent some of my childhood touring chicken houses. I feel absolutely no ethical qualms about murdering chickens from an intelligence aspect. ;)
- taneq 7y ago> meat-eating utilitarian vegetarian tries to pick meat from larger animals over smaller animals That’s not what ‘vegetarian’ means.
- reaperducer 7y agoTell that to the vegan at work who makes a big show of it, but still eats with everyone else (and what they eat) if the group goes to Five Guys for lunch.
- hthtegr 7y agoGood on him. It's worth promoting. And going to extremes is almost never the right answer, so enjoying meat on a special occasion with friends seems sensible.
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- gruez 7y ago>The meat-eating utilitarian vegetarian tries to pick meat from larger animals over smaller animals. Since you get more meat per unit of pain inflicted. By that logic, the endgame would be an animal bred so it can't experience pain or suffering. After all, if it can't suffer, you can treat it however badly you want, right? relevant Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri quote: >My gift to industry is the genetically engineered worker, or Genejack. Specially designed for labor, the Genejack's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?
- Mountain_Skies 7y agoYou've created one of the characters from Douglas Adams' "Restaurant at the End of the Universe", the Ameglian Major Cow, which had been bred to actually want to be slaughtered and eaten.
- egdod 7y agoIt'd take a lot of crickets to make up one cow's worth of meat... but I don't think crickets experience anything like what we would call pain. So the correct answer may lie at the opposite end of the spectrum.
- sbmthakur 7y agoWhy not Beef > Mutton > Pork > Chicken?