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Ah yes my music! You mean songs that have been overwritten by whatever match they decide is close enough (in some cases). Or you mean my music, that I've listen

Ah yes my music! You mean songs that have been overwritten by whatever match they decide is close enough (in some cases). Or you mean my music, that I've listened two maybe 200 times each. Or do you mean my music, that the artists themselves gave to me. I don't much care for your argument, even if you're legally correct. This would be less of an issue if the way people actually acquired music was still by buying the album, but that's not the case in the vast majority of people's experiences.

scarface74 7y ago
No, I mean music that you purchased from iTunes and downloaded onto your computer and hopefully backed up. As opposed to music that is part of a subscription where you explicitly knew was being rented.
- nixpulvis 7y ago
  I'm sorry, when was the last time you rented something to put into your "library". The way they sell these subscription services doesn't make it at all clear to the users what they are buying. P.S. plus think about who this model helps the most. It's surely not the artists themselves, especially if the songs I know and love can't be played anymore. What artist would want their work to become inaccessible to those who love it?
  - scarface74 7y ago
    Are you really saying that most users don’t know when they stop paying for Apple Music or Spotify they will lose access to their music? The iTunes Music Store where you buy music and pay a one time cost has been around since 2003 and has been completely DRM free since 2009. That’s like saying people don’t know content isn’t on Netflix forever.
    - nixpulvis 7y ago
      No of course we know they would go away if we stop paying, that's not my top issue. I've committed to paying $10/m (hoping prices don't change to much). Of course this isn't perfect, since it's not unimaginable that I'd need to stop paying for music monthly at some point. What really offends me when music disappears while I'm paying monthly for the service. TLDR; the entire subscription model is user hostile in most cases, like this one. And I'll argue it's also rather hostile to the artist here too.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        Do you also get offended when you pay for any of the subscription video services and content is removed? If you don’t like music going away, especially with Apple Music, just buy the music you don’t want to lose and add it to your library. It integrates with the subscription service.
        wolco 7y ago
        I don't like seeing content just disappear from netflix. One of the worst features. If I rent from the store I know how long I have. If I find something on netflix it could disappear while I'm still trying to get through it. If I save it chances are it won't be there in a few months.
        scarface74 7y ago
        And that’s been true for premium TV like HBO forever where movies would be in heavy rotation for a few months and then not available.
        nixpulvis 7y ago
        Let me make up a story to help explain. In a far off land of yesteryear, you live happily and healthfully in a small settlement. Despite not being a farmer yourself you own a rooster who wakes you up in time for work every morning. After years of being awoken by the same rooster, a salesman comes to you telling you of a fancy device which will wake you up at ANY time you wish, not just when the sun rises. You think, this is great! I'll buy one, and wake up later on the weekends (ironically forgetting you still own a rooster...) Of course you knew how to feed the rooster, but this magic device needs power and breaks sometimes... and the only person around to help is, of course, the same salesman. He goes way out his way for you at first, offering free power, and quick repairs. But as time goes on, and as the masses make use of these alarms, he's unable to keep up the same level of service to you. Well that and he's too busy spending all the coin you've given him. Finally you find yourself with a dead rooster (oops) and a broken alarm clock, with the only repairman out on vacation, while you're missing work in the mornings. Sadly rooster alarm clocks have fallen out of style, and the thought of owning one sounds as crazy then as it does to us now.

scarface74 7y ago

No, I mean music that you purchased from iTunes and downloaded onto your computer and hopefully backed up. As opposed to music that is part of a subscription where you explicitly knew was being rented.

nixpulvis 7y ago
I'm sorry, when was the last time you rented something to put into your "library". The way they sell these subscription services doesn't make it at all clear to the users what they are buying. P.S. plus think about who this model helps the most. It's surely not the artists themselves, especially if the songs I know and love can't be played anymore. What artist would want their work to become inaccessible to those who love it?
- scarface74 7y ago
  Are you really saying that most users don’t know when they stop paying for Apple Music or Spotify they will lose access to their music? The iTunes Music Store where you buy music and pay a one time cost has been around since 2003 and has been completely DRM free since 2009. That’s like saying people don’t know content isn’t on Netflix forever.
  - nixpulvis 7y ago
    No of course we know they would go away if we stop paying, that's not my top issue. I've committed to paying $10/m (hoping prices don't change to much). Of course this isn't perfect, since it's not unimaginable that I'd need to stop paying for music monthly at some point. What really offends me when music disappears while I'm paying monthly for the service. TLDR; the entire subscription model is user hostile in most cases, like this one. And I'll argue it's also rather hostile to the artist here too.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      Do you also get offended when you pay for any of the subscription video services and content is removed? If you don’t like music going away, especially with Apple Music, just buy the music you don’t want to lose and add it to your library. It integrates with the subscription service.
      - wolco 7y ago
        I don't like seeing content just disappear from netflix. One of the worst features. If I rent from the store I know how long I have. If I find something on netflix it could disappear while I'm still trying to get through it. If I save it chances are it won't be there in a few months.
        scarface74 7y ago
        And that’s been true for premium TV like HBO forever where movies would be in heavy rotation for a few months and then not available.
      - nixpulvis 7y ago
        Let me make up a story to help explain. In a far off land of yesteryear, you live happily and healthfully in a small settlement. Despite not being a farmer yourself you own a rooster who wakes you up in time for work every morning. After years of being awoken by the same rooster, a salesman comes to you telling you of a fancy device which will wake you up at ANY time you wish, not just when the sun rises. You think, this is great! I'll buy one, and wake up later on the weekends (ironically forgetting you still own a rooster...) Of course you knew how to feed the rooster, but this magic device needs power and breaks sometimes... and the only person around to help is, of course, the same salesman. He goes way out his way for you at first, offering free power, and quick repairs. But as time goes on, and as the masses make use of these alarms, he's unable to keep up the same level of service to you. Well that and he's too busy spending all the coin you've given him. Finally you find yourself with a dead rooster (oops) and a broken alarm clock, with the only repairman out on vacation, while you're missing work in the mornings. Sadly rooster alarm clocks have fallen out of style, and the thought of owning one sounds as crazy then as it does to us now.