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How many of them can actually buy a license with a national average salary of $17 a month?

fireattack 7y ago
This is a legitimate question. Even in developing countries that have much higher average income, paviating software is still super prevalent in commercial companies.
- iagovar 7y ago
  They have access to internet (although unreliable most of the times) so they can work online. Freelancing is very widespread among those who have the necessary skills. There are a bunch of spanish forums where this becomes pretty evident. They also open bank accounts in other countries so they can get paid in dollars and not be monitored by the government. This people is trying to survive.
jrwoodruff 7y ago
Depends how much CC costs in Venezuela - SaaS makes it a lot easier to have big geographic pricing differences.
gibolt 7y ago
This affects ALL of their products. Adobe has a huge suite of free/trial/student tiers as well, which also are rendered unavailable by this decision.
- orvtech 7y ago
  Students will still have access to the software via other means as usual, the real impact would be on cloud services I guess
  - penagwin 7y ago
    > Will still have access to the software via other means as usual Piracy? Surely this doesn't count as a "solution". Just because you can evade a ban doesn't mean that they "still have access" - I mean they do but it's not legal.
    - orvtech 7y ago
      Agree is not a "Solution" but it does not has the impact that most people are imagining. I am just curious, what would be the right way for companies to tackle this, how would they know who is the family of a regime official for example? Most people's comments seem to be aimed at Adobe instead of the complexity that is dealing with this executive order.
    - nybble41 7y ago
      > but it's not legal Not in the U.S., no, but is it illegal in Venezuela? They are under no obligation to recognize U.S. copyright claims. Or any copyright claims, for that matter. And why would they, given that the U.S. is enforcing sanctions against them?
      - penagwin 7y ago
        I was wondering this yesterday too - Is it stealing if it's not for sale (so there is no lost revenue)? My gut reaction is that if Venezuela is apart of any of the international trade laws then it'd still be illegal but there's essentially no way in practice you'd get in trouble for it (Assuming you're a Venezuelan citizen and you aren't like blatantly selling it in the street or something).
        nybble41 7y ago
        It's not "stealing" regardless of whether the software is for sale. Whether it's illegal in Venezuela is a question of local Venezuelan law. If Venezuela is part of a treaty which requires them to enforce copyright laws then they can simply withdraw from that treaty; it's unlikely that they would be benefitting much from it at this point. Or, without withdrawing altogether, they might be able to get an international ruling that voiding U.S. copyright claims within their jurisdiction is a justified response to the U.S. trade sanctions—other countries have succeeded in that approach before. (I forget where but IIRC it had something to do with U.S. restrictions against online gambling, which is a lesser provocation than this general trade embargo.)
iagovar 7y ago
Many venezuelans work online because of this very issue. So, probably, many.

This is a legitimate question. Even in developing countries that have much higher average income, paviating software is still super prevalent in commercial companies.

iagovar 7y ago
They have access to internet (although unreliable most of the times) so they can work online. Freelancing is very widespread among those who have the necessary skills. There are a bunch of spanish forums where this becomes pretty evident. They also open bank accounts in other countries so they can get paid in dollars and not be monitored by the government. This people is trying to survive.

jrwoodruff 7y ago

Depends how much CC costs in Venezuela - SaaS makes it a lot easier to have big geographic pricing differences.

gibolt 7y ago

This affects ALL of their products. Adobe has a huge suite of free/trial/student tiers as well, which also are rendered unavailable by this decision.

orvtech 7y ago
Students will still have access to the software via other means as usual, the real impact would be on cloud services I guess
- penagwin 7y ago
  > Will still have access to the software via other means as usual Piracy? Surely this doesn't count as a "solution". Just because you can evade a ban doesn't mean that they "still have access" - I mean they do but it's not legal.
  - orvtech 7y ago
    Agree is not a "Solution" but it does not has the impact that most people are imagining. I am just curious, what would be the right way for companies to tackle this, how would they know who is the family of a regime official for example? Most people's comments seem to be aimed at Adobe instead of the complexity that is dealing with this executive order.
  - nybble41 7y ago
    > but it's not legal Not in the U.S., no, but is it illegal in Venezuela? They are under no obligation to recognize U.S. copyright claims. Or any copyright claims, for that matter. And why would they, given that the U.S. is enforcing sanctions against them?
    - penagwin 7y ago
      I was wondering this yesterday too - Is it stealing if it's not for sale (so there is no lost revenue)? My gut reaction is that if Venezuela is apart of any of the international trade laws then it'd still be illegal but there's essentially no way in practice you'd get in trouble for it (Assuming you're a Venezuelan citizen and you aren't like blatantly selling it in the street or something).
      - nybble41 7y ago
        It's not "stealing" regardless of whether the software is for sale. Whether it's illegal in Venezuela is a question of local Venezuelan law. If Venezuela is part of a treaty which requires them to enforce copyright laws then they can simply withdraw from that treaty; it's unlikely that they would be benefitting much from it at this point. Or, without withdrawing altogether, they might be able to get an international ruling that voiding U.S. copyright claims within their jurisdiction is a justified response to the U.S. trade sanctions—other countries have succeeded in that approach before. (I forget where but IIRC it had something to do with U.S. restrictions against online gambling, which is a lesser provocation than this general trade embargo.)

iagovar 7y ago

Many venezuelans work online because of this very issue. So, probably, many.