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I'm not sure how you're getting any kind of round statistics here. especially since its well known that most people who suffer harassment never report it, never

I'm not sure how you're getting any kind of round statistics here. especially since its well known that most people who suffer harassment never report it, never say anything, for precisely the reasons being demonstrated on this thread today. And that was only one of the things wrong with that post, another being: people who choose to take a stand on harassment are somehow going to be mediocrities compared to stallman.

oknenavin 7y ago
It's well known, let's burn the witch!
falcolas 7y ago
So, statistics. Allow me to fabricate a few number using some well known ballparking methods. In November of 2010, 4,600 people contributed to GNU. If we follow the 1-9-90 rule of speaking out, for every 1 woman who went to the authorities, 9 women have spoken out publicly, and, 90 others have not. I'm aware of 6-7 who have gone public with their accusations, and none who went to the authorities. As such, it seems safe (if likely excessive) to say that less than 100 women have been actively harassed via awkward romantic advances over the last 20 years. So, in this scenario, not even 2% of the contributors from one month were harassed by Stallman. If we consider GNU to be on par with other software projects and say that about 30% of the total contributors for that month were women, then about 7% of the woman contributors from one month were harassed by Stallman over 20 years. It's still too high a number, but it's not exactly a vast majority.
- dtornabene 7y ago
  good to know that you're cool with harassment if it doesn't cross a certain numerical threshold. Clarifying.
  - falcolas 7y ago
    What part of "Yeah, he fucked up in approaching those women and making them uncomfortable" and "It's still too high a number" consists being "cool with harassment"? FWIW, I will not be responding to you any further, as your comments seem to have devolved into personal attacks.
    - dtornabene 7y ago
      probably a good thing, since you consistently have side stepped any substantive responses to your apologia. And anytime your rationalizing harassment by inventing "statistics" whole cloth, you're going to get push back, deserved push back, because thats obscene.
- oknenavin 7y ago
  Statistics is statics, but do you know someone rejecting something valuable because of the gender? How is harassment defined in this respect?

oknenavin 7y ago

It's well known, let's burn the witch!

falcolas 7y ago

So, statistics. Allow me to fabricate a few number using some well known ballparking methods. In November of 2010, 4,600 people contributed to GNU. If we follow the 1-9-90 rule of speaking out, for every 1 woman who went to the authorities, 9 women have spoken out publicly, and, 90 others have not. I'm aware of 6-7 who have gone public with their accusations, and none who went to the authorities. As such, it seems safe (if likely excessive) to say that less than 100 women have been actively harassed via awkward romantic advances over the last 20 years. So, in this scenario, not even 2% of the contributors from one month were harassed by Stallman. If we consider GNU to be on par with other software projects and say that about 30% of the total contributors for that month were women, then about 7% of the woman contributors from one month were harassed by Stallman over 20 years. It's still too high a number, but it's not exactly a vast majority.

dtornabene 7y ago
good to know that you're cool with harassment if it doesn't cross a certain numerical threshold. Clarifying.
- falcolas 7y ago
  What part of "Yeah, he fucked up in approaching those women and making them uncomfortable" and "It's still too high a number" consists being "cool with harassment"? FWIW, I will not be responding to you any further, as your comments seem to have devolved into personal attacks.
  - dtornabene 7y ago
    probably a good thing, since you consistently have side stepped any substantive responses to your apologia. And anytime your rationalizing harassment by inventing "statistics" whole cloth, you're going to get push back, deserved push back, because thats obscene.
oknenavin 7y ago
Statistics is statics, but do you know someone rejecting something valuable because of the gender? How is harassment defined in this respect?