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disagree with both the points (inflation indexing & double taxation). when vast majority of the other income is for regular people is not 'corrected' for inflat

disagree with both the points (inflation indexing & double taxation). when vast majority of the other income is for regular people is not 'corrected' for inflation then there no reason to do it just for investments. this produces a systematic tilting towards 'invested money' & over long periods that gives them huge advantage (e.g.. last 40 years). inflation is an emergent property of the monetary system we have, giving one group of people protection from it just puts thumb on the scale for them. Double taxation is a standard BS argument too, the whole point of taxation is that govt 'deserves' a cut of the transaction for providing a safe stable environment for economic activity. this whole notion that the moment you got yours, no-one is allowed to touch it anymore is BS, its true for other activities we engage in like sales tax & getting help then why should value gained in stock market be absolved from it? any activity that we choose to tax less is essentially being promoted so its no wonder that after financial crisis (& even now) most of the 'new money' went back in stock market instead of the real economy. this needs to end. if anything cr*p like HFT should be taxed more to ensure there is less incentive for that kind of skimming over the top.

gnicholas 7y ago
> vast majority of the other income is for regular people is not 'corrected' for inflation then there no reason to do it just for investments The vast majority of other income is taxed in the year it is earned, so there is no/minimal inflation. > if anything cr-p like HFT should be taxed more to ensure there is less incentive for that kind of skimming over the top. Gains from HFT would not be LTCG (held less than a year), so it would be taxed at ordinary income rates.
- DesiLurker 7y ago
  > The vast majority of other income is taxed in the year it is earned, so there is no/minimal inflation. but our annual raise are often in line with inflation should they be excluded? what about sales tax, thats directly effected by prices going up, should that be excluded to. and what about the receivers of these payment, its the hotdog I paid for is taxed already then why should the vendor have to pay tax again? there is no end to it. this whole distinction of earned & 'gained' income is farce and created just to favor wealthy class. I home more 'commoners' see that. > Gains from HFT would not be LTCG (held less than a year), so it would be taxed at ordinary income rates. that may be, but my argument is that it should be taxed higher not lower for discouraging the activity. and what about the hedge funds clients that primarily benefit from HFT, should they have tax breaks for holding that capital in fund for long term?
  - gnicholas 7y ago
    > but our annual raise are often in line with inflation should they be excluded? This misunderstands the point of indexing gains for inflation, or applying a lower rate to income that is mixed with inflation. The point is that you pay tax on the income in the year it is earned (or soon thereafter). It doesn't matter what the money was earned for, whether you got a raise, or anything else. The point is that it's all money that you just got right now. It's different when you are taxed on a mix of "real" gains (in the economic sense) and inflation.
    - DesiLurker 7y ago
      No you are misunderstanding my core point, the 'Inflation' is just a colloquial term we have coined for prices generally rising for many reasons some of which may be related new money being created because of money printing & Fed lending window. it just effects different sectors differently, so a TV may not go up so much but medicine goes up a lot. inflation is just average measure of that. if you provide protection from that to one type of gains then you are essentially telling society to go pile up in that & guess whats been happening lately.
    - dragonwriter 7y ago
      > The point is that it's all money that you just got right now. That's less true if you have hyperinflation, but at normal inflation rates ignoring inflation across the tax year is a pragmatic simplification with modest effect for gains that aren't long-term in nature (which may not exactly coincide with all income not subject to favorable taxation as LTCG.)

gnicholas 7y ago

> vast majority of the other income is for regular people is not 'corrected' for inflation then there no reason to do it just for investments The vast majority of other income is taxed in the year it is earned, so there is no/minimal inflation. > if anything cr-p like HFT should be taxed more to ensure there is less incentive for that kind of skimming over the top. Gains from HFT would not be LTCG (held less than a year), so it would be taxed at ordinary income rates.

DesiLurker 7y ago
> The vast majority of other income is taxed in the year it is earned, so there is no/minimal inflation. but our annual raise are often in line with inflation should they be excluded? what about sales tax, thats directly effected by prices going up, should that be excluded to. and what about the receivers of these payment, its the hotdog I paid for is taxed already then why should the vendor have to pay tax again? there is no end to it. this whole distinction of earned & 'gained' income is farce and created just to favor wealthy class. I home more 'commoners' see that. > Gains from HFT would not be LTCG (held less than a year), so it would be taxed at ordinary income rates. that may be, but my argument is that it should be taxed higher not lower for discouraging the activity. and what about the hedge funds clients that primarily benefit from HFT, should they have tax breaks for holding that capital in fund for long term?
- gnicholas 7y ago
  > but our annual raise are often in line with inflation should they be excluded? This misunderstands the point of indexing gains for inflation, or applying a lower rate to income that is mixed with inflation. The point is that you pay tax on the income in the year it is earned (or soon thereafter). It doesn't matter what the money was earned for, whether you got a raise, or anything else. The point is that it's all money that you just got right now. It's different when you are taxed on a mix of "real" gains (in the economic sense) and inflation.
  - DesiLurker 7y ago
    No you are misunderstanding my core point, the 'Inflation' is just a colloquial term we have coined for prices generally rising for many reasons some of which may be related new money being created because of money printing & Fed lending window. it just effects different sectors differently, so a TV may not go up so much but medicine goes up a lot. inflation is just average measure of that. if you provide protection from that to one type of gains then you are essentially telling society to go pile up in that & guess whats been happening lately.
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > The point is that it's all money that you just got right now. That's less true if you have hyperinflation, but at normal inflation rates ignoring inflation across the tax year is a pragmatic simplification with modest effect for gains that aren't long-term in nature (which may not exactly coincide with all income not subject to favorable taxation as LTCG.)