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I only seen some accusation that appeared now after 20 years , where RMS said something and some people were made uncomfortable. I agree RMS is not a sociable

I only seen some accusation that appeared now after 20 years , where RMS said something and some people were made uncomfortable. I agree RMS is not a sociable person but I would have preferred to see some significant "crime" , now I have the feeling that you can be kicked out from your own project if you made a stupid comment or thing in the past and the social media gets enraged by mostly FUD and exagerations of your said comment.

duxup 7y ago
I've seen enough written about it, even by Stallman's supporters who say they've had conversations with him about these things before, to indicate his behavior has been more than just a poorly worded conversation. The existence of some folks who skew those things IMO isn't relevant when it comes to the things that I've seen that seem like believable accounts.
- simion314 7y ago
  Some of those people that wrote against RMS are not in good relations with him so you need to consider those memories as biased.
  - duxup 7y ago
    I'm not sure that means something is necessarily biased.
    - simion314 7y ago
      Our memories are always biased, now if you add some grudge in the mix I am sure you will remember the bad parts as extreme and ignore the good parts.
shadowgovt 7y ago
If that's your concern, I recommend reading up further on people's issues with rms. It's not "some accusations that appeared after 20 years," it's 30 years of pattern. https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88 https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-appendi...
- simion314 7y ago
  Your article is fake news, RMS did not defended Epsein and the pedophilia thing is an opinion that he changed his mind about. From what I read about this topic the legal age for sex is not topic where 95% people agree one and RMS had a different view then the majority and he was convinced to change his mind (proving he is open minded) I did not read the rest since it probably is as fake or exaggerated as the beginning.
  - shadowgovt 7y ago
    If you didn't read it, you failed to read the part about "Richard Stallman has been contributing to a negative environment for women at MIT for over thirty years," with citations.
    - simion314 7y ago
      Then the anti RMS group could create a blog post that is 100% factual and fake. You can put facts and testimonials with names and time period when it happen, bonus points if you can mention any conflict of interest or personal biases this people may have. I read in other places about RMS pathetic way of asking for a date so I know he was and is not perfect.
      - shadowgovt 7y ago
        You seem to disagree that that imperfection, along with his other documented imperfections, isn't sufficient to induce people to want to walk away from his leadership. You're entitled to your opinion, but other people would disagree with your opinion on the topic. And because free software is free as in freedom, they're certainly welcome to attempt to route around him (whether that fractures the community will be up to the community as a whole).
- blub 7y ago
  Utterly destroying a person's reputation should come with a damn high burden of proof. That article would be laughed out of any courtroom. Reading that has been a complete waste of time. To save everyone else some effort: 1. The man has problematic opinions. Welcome to democracy, where people with uncomfortable opinions are free to hold and discuss them. This is healthy. 2. He used a bad pick-up line, saying he'll kill himself if X doesn't go out with him. 3. The MIT report doesn't mention Stallman by name. 3. Had a mattress in his office. The discourse level in the US has hit rock bottom lately, all I see are online mobs running amok.
dragonwriter 7y ago
> I agree RMS is not a sociable person Project leadership is a social task. Sometimes, being well-suited to be a chief-of-doctrinal-purity or chief-of-technology is not being well-suited to being a chief-of-chiefs.
- simion314 7y ago
  His job is to present his idea, mostly write and present it. He does not need to go in schools,bars and churches to trick people into his believes. He has a mathematical style of presenting things: primary notions, definitions, axioms . Though I liked his sense of humor (probably some religions zelot would dislike the saint joke)

duxup 7y ago

I've seen enough written about it, even by Stallman's supporters who say they've had conversations with him about these things before, to indicate his behavior has been more than just a poorly worded conversation. The existence of some folks who skew those things IMO isn't relevant when it comes to the things that I've seen that seem like believable accounts.

simion314 7y ago
Some of those people that wrote against RMS are not in good relations with him so you need to consider those memories as biased.
- duxup 7y ago
  I'm not sure that means something is necessarily biased.
  - simion314 7y ago
    Our memories are always biased, now if you add some grudge in the mix I am sure you will remember the bad parts as extreme and ignore the good parts.

shadowgovt 7y ago

If that's your concern, I recommend reading up further on people's issues with rms. It's not "some accusations that appeared after 20 years," it's 30 years of pattern. https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88 https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-appendi...

simion314 7y ago
Your article is fake news, RMS did not defended Epsein and the pedophilia thing is an opinion that he changed his mind about. From what I read about this topic the legal age for sex is not topic where 95% people agree one and RMS had a different view then the majority and he was convinced to change his mind (proving he is open minded) I did not read the rest since it probably is as fake or exaggerated as the beginning.
- shadowgovt 7y ago
  If you didn't read it, you failed to read the part about "Richard Stallman has been contributing to a negative environment for women at MIT for over thirty years," with citations.
  - simion314 7y ago
    Then the anti RMS group could create a blog post that is 100% factual and fake. You can put facts and testimonials with names and time period when it happen, bonus points if you can mention any conflict of interest or personal biases this people may have. I read in other places about RMS pathetic way of asking for a date so I know he was and is not perfect.
    - shadowgovt 7y ago
      You seem to disagree that that imperfection, along with his other documented imperfections, isn't sufficient to induce people to want to walk away from his leadership. You're entitled to your opinion, but other people would disagree with your opinion on the topic. And because free software is free as in freedom, they're certainly welcome to attempt to route around him (whether that fractures the community will be up to the community as a whole).
blub 7y ago
Utterly destroying a person's reputation should come with a damn high burden of proof. That article would be laughed out of any courtroom. Reading that has been a complete waste of time. To save everyone else some effort: 1. The man has problematic opinions. Welcome to democracy, where people with uncomfortable opinions are free to hold and discuss them. This is healthy. 2. He used a bad pick-up line, saying he'll kill himself if X doesn't go out with him. 3. The MIT report doesn't mention Stallman by name. 3. Had a mattress in his office. The discourse level in the US has hit rock bottom lately, all I see are online mobs running amok.

dragonwriter 7y ago

> I agree RMS is not a sociable person Project leadership is a social task. Sometimes, being well-suited to be a chief-of-doctrinal-purity or chief-of-technology is not being well-suited to being a chief-of-chiefs.

simion314 7y ago
His job is to present his idea, mostly write and present it. He does not need to go in schools,bars and churches to trick people into his believes. He has a mathematical style of presenting things: primary notions, definitions, axioms . Though I liked his sense of humor (probably some religions zelot would dislike the saint joke)