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Even if there was (I don't know, am not a HK lawyer), you would probably have a few problems if you complained about THAT exact feature being removed. Of course

Even if there was (I don't know, am not a HK lawyer), you would probably have a few problems if you complained about THAT exact feature being removed. Of course, this is just speculation on my part.

nailer 7y ago
'One country two systems' as agreed to by the CCP under the Sino-British Joint Declaration, prior to the handover of Hong Kong, means that the PRC is only responsible for military defence of HK. Anyone who disagrees that 'one country two systems' applies in Hong Kong is accusing the CCP of lying. Which we know the CCP would never do. Edit: anyone who has spent time on HN in the last few years and commented on the actions of the CCP should be familiar with the usual brigading by pro-CCP people - anyone with half a sense of decency would welcome the downmods. But to those who downmod, you just accused the CCP of lying. Enjoy being disciplined by your masters.
- FabHK 7y ago
  People might be complaining about your use of unexpanded acronyms (CCP, PRC), or infusing a huge political stance onto a narrow legalistic question.
- dang 7y ago
  That last bit breaks the HN guidelines badly. Would you please re-read them and follow them? Such cheap accusations of brigading get made all the time from both sides and have proven to be completely unreliable. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - nailer 7y ago
    > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email us and we'll look at the data. While accusations of brigading are common, I don't think the accusation is cheap in this case, you and I are both aware that the brigading happens on China related articles - we've spoke about it directly with each other via email. I would assume per the above you're looking at the data. The last part is a bit of a deliberate trap - I've stated a fact, that the CCP agreed to provide HK with 'a high degree of autonomy'. If the anti-democracy suspects should downmod it, because it promotes allowing HK to do what the CCP agreed, they would be accusing their masters of lying. I quite deliberately did not make any allegation that the CCP would lie.
    - dang 7y ago
      You're finessing this, but it's not a fine point. The guideline is clear. Please stop breaking it. > you and I are both aware that the brigading happens on China related articles - we've spoke about it directly with each other via email That's not accurate at all, and I have no idea what I said in email that would have made you think this. I've been looking at this data for years and have basically never seen anything remotely like what you're talking about. What you posted was a perfect example of the cheap accusations that the guidelines ask you to refrain from. You broke other guidelines there too, with going on about downvotes and flamey rhetoric ("Enjoy being disciplined by your masters"—please keep that kind of thing off HN). If you want more explanation, I spent the whole day and half the night posting about this yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21200971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21200971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21201077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21201077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195089 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195089 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898 Previous comments on this at: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20western%20chin&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
      - nailer 7y ago
        I didn't complain about downvotes but welcomed them (as a point about hypocrisy). You and I have personally discussed strange moderation around articles involving China, you can find them in your inbox. Nevertheless I'll refrain from discussing them here, not because I agree with you (I don't) but because you have power here and I don't like having these discussions.

Even if there was (I don't know, am not a HK lawyer), you would probably have a few problems if you complained about THAT exact feature being removed. Of course, this is just speculation on my part.

nailer 7y ago

'One country two systems' as agreed to by the CCP under the Sino-British Joint Declaration, prior to the handover of Hong Kong, means that the PRC is only responsible for military defence of HK. Anyone who disagrees that 'one country two systems' applies in Hong Kong is accusing the CCP of lying. Which we know the CCP would never do. Edit: anyone who has spent time on HN in the last few years and commented on the actions of the CCP should be familiar with the usual brigading by pro-CCP people - anyone with half a sense of decency would welcome the downmods. But to those who downmod, you just accused the CCP of lying. Enjoy being disciplined by your masters.

FabHK 7y ago
People might be complaining about your use of unexpanded acronyms (CCP, PRC), or infusing a huge political stance onto a narrow legalistic question.
dang 7y ago
That last bit breaks the HN guidelines badly. Would you please re-read them and follow them? Such cheap accusations of brigading get made all the time from both sides and have proven to be completely unreliable. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- nailer 7y ago
  > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email us and we'll look at the data. While accusations of brigading are common, I don't think the accusation is cheap in this case, you and I are both aware that the brigading happens on China related articles - we've spoke about it directly with each other via email. I would assume per the above you're looking at the data. The last part is a bit of a deliberate trap - I've stated a fact, that the CCP agreed to provide HK with 'a high degree of autonomy'. If the anti-democracy suspects should downmod it, because it promotes allowing HK to do what the CCP agreed, they would be accusing their masters of lying. I quite deliberately did not make any allegation that the CCP would lie.
  - dang 7y ago
    You're finessing this, but it's not a fine point. The guideline is clear. Please stop breaking it. > you and I are both aware that the brigading happens on China related articles - we've spoke about it directly with each other via email That's not accurate at all, and I have no idea what I said in email that would have made you think this. I've been looking at this data for years and have basically never seen anything remotely like what you're talking about. What you posted was a perfect example of the cheap accusations that the guidelines ask you to refrain from. You broke other guidelines there too, with going on about downvotes and flamey rhetoric ("Enjoy being disciplined by your masters"—please keep that kind of thing off HN). If you want more explanation, I spent the whole day and half the night posting about this yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21200971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21200971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21201077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21201077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195089 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195089 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898 Previous comments on this at: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20western%20chin&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
    - nailer 7y ago
      I didn't complain about downvotes but welcomed them (as a point about hypocrisy). You and I have personally discussed strange moderation around articles involving China, you can find them in your inbox. Nevertheless I'll refrain from discussing them here, not because I agree with you (I don't) but because you have power here and I don't like having these discussions.