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They are extremely good. My first car was a 2005 Honda Civic that I drove for 10 years until I traded in for a First Gen leaf. Absolutely no down time. Changed

They are extremely good. My first car was a 2005 Honda Civic that I drove for 10 years until I traded in for a First Gen leaf. Absolutely no down time. Changed all four tires once or twice. I went back and traded in my first gen leafs after 3 year lease expired and promptly bought a 2019 Honda Civic which drives like a charm. Even the whiz bang features like adaptive cruise and lane keep work perfectly! Very happy with the purchase, waiting for the 250 mi Honda Civic EV but am not holding my breath.

dsfyu404ed 7y ago
>They are extremely good. Keep telling yourself that but it totally depends on what you get and who you are (i.e how you use it). '09 "CVT" Altima owned by literally anybody. -> crap '03 Accord owned by Grandma -> Perfectly fine car '11 Tacoma owned by Joe the scrapper -> Made a one way trip over the scrap scale 5yr ago. '11 Tacoma owned by upper middle class neighbor Steve who uses it to haul pine mulch for his garden and is generally easy on equipment -> Perfectly fine car. It takes little more than a pulse to get your hands on (for example) a Nissan Altima or a Dodge Journey. They are solidly meh vehicles and (for the most part) bought in droves by people who's credit leaves them little other option. Time is not kind to vehicles under that kind of ownership. They get serviced when they have problems that impede their usefulness, maybe. Meanwhile, in an upscale gated community across town 4Runners plastered in honors student stickers will see easy use (food spills in the rear seats and smelly sports equipment are not particularly hard on vehicles) will see the kind of preventive maintenance the authors of German car service schedules lust over. When it comes to longevity the way a vehicle is treated matters more than anything else and over 20+yr the seemingly small difference between how different groups treat their cars will compound to be the dominant term in the equation.
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  It'd be interesting to see why people are down-voting. I purposefully picked examples that pretty much everyone in the low end used car world can agree on.

dsfyu404ed 7y ago

>They are extremely good. Keep telling yourself that but it totally depends on what you get and who you are (i.e how you use it). '09 "CVT" Altima owned by literally anybody. -> crap '03 Accord owned by Grandma -> Perfectly fine car '11 Tacoma owned by Joe the scrapper -> Made a one way trip over the scrap scale 5yr ago. '11 Tacoma owned by upper middle class neighbor Steve who uses it to haul pine mulch for his garden and is generally easy on equipment -> Perfectly fine car. It takes little more than a pulse to get your hands on (for example) a Nissan Altima or a Dodge Journey. They are solidly meh vehicles and (for the most part) bought in droves by people who's credit leaves them little other option. Time is not kind to vehicles under that kind of ownership. They get serviced when they have problems that impede their usefulness, maybe. Meanwhile, in an upscale gated community across town 4Runners plastered in honors student stickers will see easy use (food spills in the rear seats and smelly sports equipment are not particularly hard on vehicles) will see the kind of preventive maintenance the authors of German car service schedules lust over. When it comes to longevity the way a vehicle is treated matters more than anything else and over 20+yr the seemingly small difference between how different groups treat their cars will compound to be the dominant term in the equation.

dsfyu404ed 7y ago
It'd be interesting to see why people are down-voting. I purposefully picked examples that pretty much everyone in the low end used car world can agree on.