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Hong Kong’s Hard-Core Protesters Take Justice into Their Own Hands

24 points by SZJX 7y ago

scohesc 7y ago
It's tough to say what's actually going on here, and this is exactly what mainland China wants. Are these protesters mainland Chinese hired by China to organize and promote violence to damage the credibility of the protest? Are these protesters Hong Kong natives who are extremely tired of the bullshit that mainland China is forcing on their country, and the mask ban + months of protests without results are starting to get to them? We might have a Tienanmen Square 2: Electric Boogaloo soon if this keeps up.
jkachmar 7y ago
I’m going to just pull from two of Maciej Cegłowski‘s tweets on this article (@Pinboard on Twitter, idlewords here): > This is a really tendentious article by the New York Times that makes me question their other Hong Kong coverage. The story the past week isn't an increase in violence by protesters against people; it's a police rampage in which cops shot two schoolkids. > There is incredible journalism being done here, including by @nytimes reporters, but what reaches the front page is bad. David Brooks bullshit, articles like this on "escalating violence", descriptions of emergency law as a "measured step". And we have no public editor to turn to Both from this thread: https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/1181240398603112449 https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/1181240398603112449
- stunt 7y ago
  It's not black or white. Large scale protest without proper leadership can really get out of control by a few small groups. It is probably a mixture of riot control tactics and violence from smaller groups of protesters that don't follow any leadership and overreact without proper strategy.
  - joelx 7y ago
    The Communist Party of China has throughout the protest been dressing up their agents like protesters and having them do bad things. I'm sure there are a few bad apples among the protesters, but I bet most of what you're seeing is actually government agents.
- alanwong 7y ago
  I'm just going to pull two videos showing the "police rampage in which cops shot two schoolkids" to let you judge Cegłowski‘s judgment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN4MvOrPotk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN4MvOrPotk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHKbe5mAoNo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHKbe5mAoNo

24 points by SZJX 7y ago

It's tough to say what's actually going on here, and this is exactly what mainland China wants. Are these protesters mainland Chinese hired by China to organize and promote violence to damage the credibility of the protest? Are these protesters Hong Kong natives who are extremely tired of the bullshit that mainland China is forcing on their country, and the mask ban + months of protests without results are starting to get to them? We might have a Tienanmen Square 2: Electric Boogaloo soon if this keeps up.

jkachmar 7y ago

I’m going to just pull from two of Maciej Cegłowski‘s tweets on this article (@Pinboard on Twitter, idlewords here): > This is a really tendentious article by the New York Times that makes me question their other Hong Kong coverage. The story the past week isn't an increase in violence by protesters against people; it's a police rampage in which cops shot two schoolkids. > There is incredible journalism being done here, including by @nytimes reporters, but what reaches the front page is bad. David Brooks bullshit, articles like this on "escalating violence", descriptions of emergency law as a "measured step". And we have no public editor to turn to Both from this thread: https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/1181240398603112449 https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/1181240398603112449

stunt 7y ago
It's not black or white. Large scale protest without proper leadership can really get out of control by a few small groups. It is probably a mixture of riot control tactics and violence from smaller groups of protesters that don't follow any leadership and overreact without proper strategy.
- joelx 7y ago
  The Communist Party of China has throughout the protest been dressing up their agents like protesters and having them do bad things. I'm sure there are a few bad apples among the protesters, but I bet most of what you're seeing is actually government agents.
alanwong 7y ago
I'm just going to pull two videos showing the "police rampage in which cops shot two schoolkids" to let you judge Cegłowski‘s judgment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN4MvOrPotk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN4MvOrPotk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHKbe5mAoNo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHKbe5mAoNo