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Read the Tesla forums about the reliability issues they have, and awake to the marketing spin of "fewer parts" being conflated with more reliable.

s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
Anecdotes. I can find disgruntled users on any forum... Where are your sources that the less complicated drivetrain is more unreliable than an ICE drivetrain? Where are you sources the battery is not in general reaching its mileage rating?
- nawitus 7y ago
  https://www.truedelta.com/car-reliability-by-brand?min=2016&max=2019 https://www.truedelta.com/car-reliability-by-brand?min=2016&...
- mdorazio 7y ago
  Dismissing information you don't like as anecdote is not a healthy thing to do. Making up things to argue against is also not a healthy thing to do. No one in this thread even mentioned drivetrain. The issues with Tesla service wait times and reliability are well-publicized and mostly revolve around things that have nothing to do with the motor or battery [1][2][3]. Tesla just sucks at quality control and has a really bad service parts supply chain + network. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-16/tesla-order-breakdown-signals-service-a-risk-in-bmw-s-backyard https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-16/tesla-ord... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com/some-tesla-customers-experience-service-problems-2018-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/some-tesla-customers-experie... [3] https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows-why-automotive-grade-matters https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows...
  - s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
    I'm not dismissing it, I'm highlighting the fact that these are a few datapoints and not a real study. You have yet to link to a real scientific study. Propaganda, pure and simple. Those articles are paid for by the oil/gas/automobile companies. Can you point to one major issue that they cover? No, they are all written with a negative tone, highlighting small things and blowing them into a big deal. > from scratched bumpers to moisture trapped behind the headlights -- the order of the remaining 85 Model 3s was called off. Big deal, and the 85 were supposedly called off for other reasons. Depends who you believe. > “I’m still thrilled by the car, because it’s just so much better than anything I’ve driven before, but the quality of the service and some technical parts are seriously worrying,” Rouven Volk, who said by email that he ordered his Model 3 in February and was slated to take delivery less than a month later. Fair enough, but the first part is important. Also, just one data point. All these articles just cover a few people. There is no big study to indicate reliability. And the overall reports indicate Tesla owners love their cars.
    - base698 7y ago
      Yeah there is propaganda mixed, but there is also Elon propaganda which you clearly have taken and believe as if it's your own idea. Imagine owning a car which has a fender bent into the tire and no parts supplier or body shop is prevented to work on it. Your warranty for free rental car expires at thirty days, so now you sit with a $50,000 decorative statue and paying for a rental car out of pocket? These things can happen and do happen with Tesla and can't with almost any other vehicle. Maybe Tesla will fix the issues, but I'm not going to pay that much for a car I can't have fixed.
      - s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
        https://www.tesla.com/support/body-shop-support https://www.tesla.com/support/body-shop-support > In addition to Tesla Body Repair Centers, we’ve partnered with the world’s best body shops to form the ever-growing Tesla-Approved Body Shop Network. We demand the highest standards from our Tesla-Approved Body Shop Network, through rigorous training and assessments of all the technicians that will work on your car. To schedule an appointment, please contact the body shop directly. I've entered my address and I found a dozen near me. And I live in the middle of nowhere. Looks like they released this program 2 years ago. Seems they are addressing the problem.

s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago

Anecdotes. I can find disgruntled users on any forum... Where are your sources that the less complicated drivetrain is more unreliable than an ICE drivetrain? Where are you sources the battery is not in general reaching its mileage rating?

nawitus 7y ago
https://www.truedelta.com/car-reliability-by-brand?min=2016&max=2019 https://www.truedelta.com/car-reliability-by-brand?min=2016&...
mdorazio 7y ago
Dismissing information you don't like as anecdote is not a healthy thing to do. Making up things to argue against is also not a healthy thing to do. No one in this thread even mentioned drivetrain. The issues with Tesla service wait times and reliability are well-publicized and mostly revolve around things that have nothing to do with the motor or battery [1][2][3]. Tesla just sucks at quality control and has a really bad service parts supply chain + network. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-16/tesla-order-breakdown-signals-service-a-risk-in-bmw-s-backyard https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-16/tesla-ord... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com/some-tesla-customers-experience-service-problems-2018-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/some-tesla-customers-experie... [3] https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows-why-automotive-grade-matters https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows...
- s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
  I'm not dismissing it, I'm highlighting the fact that these are a few datapoints and not a real study. You have yet to link to a real scientific study. Propaganda, pure and simple. Those articles are paid for by the oil/gas/automobile companies. Can you point to one major issue that they cover? No, they are all written with a negative tone, highlighting small things and blowing them into a big deal. > from scratched bumpers to moisture trapped behind the headlights -- the order of the remaining 85 Model 3s was called off. Big deal, and the 85 were supposedly called off for other reasons. Depends who you believe. > “I’m still thrilled by the car, because it’s just so much better than anything I’ve driven before, but the quality of the service and some technical parts are seriously worrying,” Rouven Volk, who said by email that he ordered his Model 3 in February and was slated to take delivery less than a month later. Fair enough, but the first part is important. Also, just one data point. All these articles just cover a few people. There is no big study to indicate reliability. And the overall reports indicate Tesla owners love their cars.
  - base698 7y ago
    Yeah there is propaganda mixed, but there is also Elon propaganda which you clearly have taken and believe as if it's your own idea. Imagine owning a car which has a fender bent into the tire and no parts supplier or body shop is prevented to work on it. Your warranty for free rental car expires at thirty days, so now you sit with a $50,000 decorative statue and paying for a rental car out of pocket? These things can happen and do happen with Tesla and can't with almost any other vehicle. Maybe Tesla will fix the issues, but I'm not going to pay that much for a car I can't have fixed.
    - s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
      https://www.tesla.com/support/body-shop-support https://www.tesla.com/support/body-shop-support > In addition to Tesla Body Repair Centers, we’ve partnered with the world’s best body shops to form the ever-growing Tesla-Approved Body Shop Network. We demand the highest standards from our Tesla-Approved Body Shop Network, through rigorous training and assessments of all the technicians that will work on your car. To schedule an appointment, please contact the body shop directly. I've entered my address and I found a dozen near me. And I live in the middle of nowhere. Looks like they released this program 2 years ago. Seems they are addressing the problem.