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Aren't there plenty of Teslas out there with 200k+ miles?

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Lots. https://sites.google.com/view/teslamiles https://sites.google.com/view/teslamiles The Model 3 motors are designed for a million miles of service life.
- PeterisP 7y ago
  The big issue is the battery pack. It's a major part of the total car cost, and it's not going to last a million miles. For everything else in the car maintenance and longevity is going to be better than ICE cars due to the much simpler drivetrain, so the cost of replacing batteries and the battery lifespan is going to be the main factor in value of used fully electric cars.
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  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    Tesla is working towards a million mile battery [1] (and the batteries they have on the road today will easily last to 500k miles, which under normal duty [average American yearly miles driven], you won't see until you've been driving the car for 37 years @ 13,476 miles/year). It would also appear, from the cost decline curve of lithium batteries [2], that to replace your vehicle's battery (if necessary; highly unlikely) in 8 years at the end of its warranty will be substantially cheaper than replacing it today. At a million mile service duty for battery and motors, the powertain is reaching human life expectancy (74 years) at average miles driven per year quoted above. [1] https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-may-soon-have-a-battery-that-can-last-a-million-miles/ https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-may-soon-have-a-battery-th... [2] https://i2.wp.com/evobsession.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Battery-Cost-Curve-Chart-v.2.png?resize=1170%2C557&ssl=1 https://i2.wp.com/evobsession.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06...
  - Amezarak 7y ago
    At least in my experience, it's not the drivetrain you need to worry about. It's all the electronics and sensors - from antitheft to odometers to AC. That's why I'm not terribly optimistic on Tesla reliability. Powertrains rarely fail in the first place.
semi-extrinsic 7y ago
Anecdotally, but looking at older Model S on the local Craigslist equivalent, I see two listings right now that are ~6 years old with ~120k miles and say "recently replaced entire battery pack under warranty". If whatever fault that was happens to another Model S after the warranty expires, it's going to be a total writeoff. These cars are being sold now for below $30k (equivalent) with almost two years left of warranty.
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Lots. https://sites.google.com/view/teslamiles https://sites.google.com/view/teslamiles The Model 3 motors are designed for a million miles of service life.

PeterisP 7y ago
The big issue is the battery pack. It's a major part of the total car cost, and it's not going to last a million miles. For everything else in the car maintenance and longevity is going to be better than ICE cars due to the much simpler drivetrain, so the cost of replacing batteries and the battery lifespan is going to be the main factor in value of used fully electric cars.
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- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Tesla is working towards a million mile battery [1] (and the batteries they have on the road today will easily last to 500k miles, which under normal duty [average American yearly miles driven], you won't see until you've been driving the car for 37 years @ 13,476 miles/year). It would also appear, from the cost decline curve of lithium batteries [2], that to replace your vehicle's battery (if necessary; highly unlikely) in 8 years at the end of its warranty will be substantially cheaper than replacing it today. At a million mile service duty for battery and motors, the powertain is reaching human life expectancy (74 years) at average miles driven per year quoted above. [1] https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-may-soon-have-a-battery-that-can-last-a-million-miles/ https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-may-soon-have-a-battery-th... [2] https://i2.wp.com/evobsession.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Battery-Cost-Curve-Chart-v.2.png?resize=1170%2C557&ssl=1 https://i2.wp.com/evobsession.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06...
- Amezarak 7y ago
  At least in my experience, it's not the drivetrain you need to worry about. It's all the electronics and sensors - from antitheft to odometers to AC. That's why I'm not terribly optimistic on Tesla reliability. Powertrains rarely fail in the first place.

semi-extrinsic 7y ago

Anecdotally, but looking at older Model S on the local Craigslist equivalent, I see two listings right now that are ~6 years old with ~120k miles and say "recently replaced entire battery pack under warranty". If whatever fault that was happens to another Model S after the warranty expires, it's going to be a total writeoff. These cars are being sold now for below $30k (equivalent) with almost two years left of warranty.

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