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The kind of problem caused by a manufacturing defect that leads to a recall. Parent's overall point is that you can effectively drive these cars 200k+ miles unt

The kind of problem caused by a manufacturing defect that leads to a recall. Parent's overall point is that you can effectively drive these cars 200k+ miles until the wheels fall off, and if you can't, it's due to a defect like that. Tesla is a younger company and it's not yet apparent how the vehicle's end-of-life will play out like it is for these sorts of vehicles.

whamlastxmas 7y ago
Aren't there plenty of Teslas out there with 200k+ miles?
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Lots. https://sites.google.com/view/teslamiles https://sites.google.com/view/teslamiles The Model 3 motors are designed for a million miles of service life.
  - PeterisP 7y ago
    The big issue is the battery pack. It's a major part of the total car cost, and it's not going to last a million miles. For everything else in the car maintenance and longevity is going to be better than ICE cars due to the much simpler drivetrain, so the cost of replacing batteries and the battery lifespan is going to be the main factor in value of used fully electric cars.
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    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      Tesla is working towards a million mile battery [1] (and the batteries they have on the road today will easily last to 500k miles, which under normal duty [average American yearly miles driven], you won't see until you've been driving the car for 37 years @ 13,476 miles/year). It would also appear, from the cost decline curve of lithium batteries [2], that to replace your vehicle's battery (if necessary; highly unlikely) in 8 years at the end of its warranty will be substantially cheaper than replacing it today. At a million mile service duty for battery and motors, the powertain is reaching human life expectancy (74 years) at average miles driven per year quoted above. [1] https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-may-soon-have-a-battery-that-can-last-a-million-miles/ https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-may-soon-have-a-battery-th... [2] https://i2.wp.com/evobsession.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Battery-Cost-Curve-Chart-v.2.png?resize=1170%2C557&ssl=1 https://i2.wp.com/evobsession.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06...
    - Amezarak 7y ago
      At least in my experience, it's not the drivetrain you need to worry about. It's all the electronics and sensors - from antitheft to odometers to AC. That's why I'm not terribly optimistic on Tesla reliability. Powertrains rarely fail in the first place.
- semi-extrinsic 7y ago
  Anecdotally, but looking at older Model S on the local Craigslist equivalent, I see two listings right now that are ~6 years old with ~120k miles and say "recently replaced entire battery pack under warranty". If whatever fault that was happens to another Model S after the warranty expires, it's going to be a total writeoff. These cars are being sold now for below $30k (equivalent) with almost two years left of warranty.
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tigershark 7y ago
https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-record-mileage-900000-kilometers https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-record-mileage-900000-ki... 900k km is waaay more than 200k miles
- ummonk 7y ago
  It doesn't say whether he had to make an out of warranty battery replacement.
luckydata 7y ago
https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty For 8 years you're fine.
Alex3917 7y ago
This is sort of true. If there is something wrong with the battery then there is a good chance they will fix it for free even if it's not under warranty, rather than billing you several thousand dollars. But if, say, the dash lights come on saying you need to take it in immediately because there is a problem with the battery, but when you take it in they can't find anything wrong with it, then they will still bill you a few hundred bucks for looking at it.
- londons_explore 7y ago
  The system should totally keep a record of the dash lights shown, and they totally shouldn't charge you if you told the truth, yet they couldn't find anything wrong.

whamlastxmas 7y ago

Aren't there plenty of Teslas out there with 200k+ miles?

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Lots. https://sites.google.com/view/teslamiles https://sites.google.com/view/teslamiles The Model 3 motors are designed for a million miles of service life.
- PeterisP 7y ago
  The big issue is the battery pack. It's a major part of the total car cost, and it's not going to last a million miles. For everything else in the car maintenance and longevity is going to be better than ICE cars due to the much simpler drivetrain, so the cost of replacing batteries and the battery lifespan is going to be the main factor in value of used fully electric cars.
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  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    Tesla is working towards a million mile battery [1] (and the batteries they have on the road today will easily last to 500k miles, which under normal duty [average American yearly miles driven], you won't see until you've been driving the car for 37 years @ 13,476 miles/year). It would also appear, from the cost decline curve of lithium batteries [2], that to replace your vehicle's battery (if necessary; highly unlikely) in 8 years at the end of its warranty will be substantially cheaper than replacing it today. At a million mile service duty for battery and motors, the powertain is reaching human life expectancy (74 years) at average miles driven per year quoted above. [1] https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-may-soon-have-a-battery-that-can-last-a-million-miles/ https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-may-soon-have-a-battery-th... [2] https://i2.wp.com/evobsession.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Battery-Cost-Curve-Chart-v.2.png?resize=1170%2C557&ssl=1 https://i2.wp.com/evobsession.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06...
  - Amezarak 7y ago
    At least in my experience, it's not the drivetrain you need to worry about. It's all the electronics and sensors - from antitheft to odometers to AC. That's why I'm not terribly optimistic on Tesla reliability. Powertrains rarely fail in the first place.
semi-extrinsic 7y ago
Anecdotally, but looking at older Model S on the local Craigslist equivalent, I see two listings right now that are ~6 years old with ~120k miles and say "recently replaced entire battery pack under warranty". If whatever fault that was happens to another Model S after the warranty expires, it's going to be a total writeoff. These cars are being sold now for below $30k (equivalent) with almost two years left of warranty.
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tigershark 7y ago

https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-record-mileage-900000-kilometers https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-record-mileage-900000-ki... 900k km is waaay more than 200k miles

ummonk 7y ago
It doesn't say whether he had to make an out of warranty battery replacement.

luckydata 7y ago

https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty For 8 years you're fine.

Alex3917 7y ago

This is sort of true. If there is something wrong with the battery then there is a good chance they will fix it for free even if it's not under warranty, rather than billing you several thousand dollars. But if, say, the dash lights come on saying you need to take it in immediately because there is a problem with the battery, but when you take it in they can't find anything wrong with it, then they will still bill you a few hundred bucks for looking at it.

londons_explore 7y ago
The system should totally keep a record of the dash lights shown, and they totally shouldn't charge you if you told the truth, yet they couldn't find anything wrong.