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Did you compare it to a $50K Audi or BMW? They’re also pretty fun

Klathmon 7y ago
I sold a 2017 Audi TT convertible for a 2019 Model 3. I've previously owned an RX-8, a BMW M3, and an MX-5, and the Tesla is my favorite car just barely squeaking past the M3.
- godzillabrennus 7y ago
  Turns out this is part of a trend of luxury car owners switching to Tesla and its driving down costs of pre-owned luxury cars: https://www.capitalone.com/cars/learn/finding-the-right-car/the-tesla-effect-how-tesla-is-changing-the-used-car-game/1096 https://www.capitalone.com/cars/learn/finding-the-right-car/...
SEJeff 7y ago
I compared it to my buddy's Mercedes GT sports car and an Audi A5. The Tesla's instant acceleration is like driving a roller coaster. There is simply no comparison. My stepfather asked "So Jeff, how many gears does this have?" right as I pushed the accelerator to the floor. The glasses ontop of his head flew off and he said a few choice words. There are no gears in a Tesla and it is instant torque. The interior in both the Audi and Mercedes were nicer no doubt, but you I care about the driving more than the interior. The Model 3's interior isn't terrible, but isn't luxury by any stretch. Does that make sense?
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  >There is simply no comparison. The numbers would indicate that Dodge makes several points of comparison though making such a comparison would certainly get everyone to recoil in horror as though you brought up Bud Light in a discussion of micro-brews.
  - SEJeff 7y ago
    Which one? Isn't the Hellcat their top-end one? A Dodge Hellcat's 0-60 is 3.6 seconds. A P100D Tesla Model S's 0-60 is 2.28 seconds. Tesla doesn't win max speed against really any of the muscle cars until they actually produces the Roadster v2, but I was referring to acceleration.
    - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
      The Demon does 0-60 in .02 sec more than the P100D for $50k less (83k vs 133k according to Google). The Hellcat does 0-60 in .4 sec more and costs ~$10k more than the Performance trim Model 3. In any case, nobody ever won internet points (or the approval of snooty coworkers and neighbors) by driving a Dodge.
      - xedeon 7y ago
        You also get to cry every time you fuel up several times a week. I owned many performance gas cars before. BMW M3, MB C63s and now have a Performance Model 3 that is a joy to drive. The best part? it only cost me $20-30 a month in energy cost.
        dsfyu404ed 7y ago
        I don't think anyone buying a $50k+ car that specifically caters toward performance (i.e. excluding work vehicle owners) is going to be doing much crying over fuel economy.
      - davidgould 7y ago
        Tesla Model S Performance is currently $99.990, not $133k.
    - xedeon 7y ago
      0-60 is a much more practical metric as it lets you get away hairy situations and you get to use it everyday. How many times have you drove a car at max speed really? You'd be lying if you tell me all the time. Unless you track it every weekend.
pwagland 7y ago
Even this is misleading, since in terms of TCO, the model 3 is _not_ a 50K car, it is much more comparable to a 35-45K car, depending on your own mileage. While the electronics are good, they are somewhat limited, no "birds eye view" for example, and the interior fit and finish are not equivalent to 50K cars, IMO at least. However, people look at the sticker price, and get shocked by what it costs, and don't think about the TCO. Just to be clear, I am not saying that this is a cheap car, far from it, but it is cheaper to own than the sticker price would suggest. Disclaimer: I _do_ have a Tesla. They are great cars, but they are not sticker price comparable to other luxury cars, at least not in fit and finish. Driving on the other hand…

I sold a 2017 Audi TT convertible for a 2019 Model 3. I've previously owned an RX-8, a BMW M3, and an MX-5, and the Tesla is my favorite car just barely squeaking past the M3.

godzillabrennus 7y ago
Turns out this is part of a trend of luxury car owners switching to Tesla and its driving down costs of pre-owned luxury cars: https://www.capitalone.com/cars/learn/finding-the-right-car/the-tesla-effect-how-tesla-is-changing-the-used-car-game/1096 https://www.capitalone.com/cars/learn/finding-the-right-car/...

SEJeff 7y ago

I compared it to my buddy's Mercedes GT sports car and an Audi A5. The Tesla's instant acceleration is like driving a roller coaster. There is simply no comparison. My stepfather asked "So Jeff, how many gears does this have?" right as I pushed the accelerator to the floor. The glasses ontop of his head flew off and he said a few choice words. There are no gears in a Tesla and it is instant torque. The interior in both the Audi and Mercedes were nicer no doubt, but you I care about the driving more than the interior. The Model 3's interior isn't terrible, but isn't luxury by any stretch. Does that make sense?

dsfyu404ed 7y ago
>There is simply no comparison. The numbers would indicate that Dodge makes several points of comparison though making such a comparison would certainly get everyone to recoil in horror as though you brought up Bud Light in a discussion of micro-brews.
- SEJeff 7y ago
  Which one? Isn't the Hellcat their top-end one? A Dodge Hellcat's 0-60 is 3.6 seconds. A P100D Tesla Model S's 0-60 is 2.28 seconds. Tesla doesn't win max speed against really any of the muscle cars until they actually produces the Roadster v2, but I was referring to acceleration.
  - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
    The Demon does 0-60 in .02 sec more than the P100D for $50k less (83k vs 133k according to Google). The Hellcat does 0-60 in .4 sec more and costs ~$10k more than the Performance trim Model 3. In any case, nobody ever won internet points (or the approval of snooty coworkers and neighbors) by driving a Dodge.
    - xedeon 7y ago
      You also get to cry every time you fuel up several times a week. I owned many performance gas cars before. BMW M3, MB C63s and now have a Performance Model 3 that is a joy to drive. The best part? it only cost me $20-30 a month in energy cost.
      - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
        I don't think anyone buying a $50k+ car that specifically caters toward performance (i.e. excluding work vehicle owners) is going to be doing much crying over fuel economy.
    - davidgould 7y ago
      Tesla Model S Performance is currently $99.990, not $133k.
  - xedeon 7y ago
    0-60 is a much more practical metric as it lets you get away hairy situations and you get to use it everyday. How many times have you drove a car at max speed really? You'd be lying if you tell me all the time. Unless you track it every weekend.

pwagland 7y ago

Even this is misleading, since in terms of TCO, the model 3 is _not_ a 50K car, it is much more comparable to a 35-45K car, depending on your own mileage. While the electronics are good, they are somewhat limited, no "birds eye view" for example, and the interior fit and finish are not equivalent to 50K cars, IMO at least. However, people look at the sticker price, and get shocked by what it costs, and don't think about the TCO. Just to be clear, I am not saying that this is a cheap car, far from it, but it is cheaper to own than the sticker price would suggest. Disclaimer: I _do_ have a Tesla. They are great cars, but they are not sticker price comparable to other luxury cars, at least not in fit and finish. Driving on the other hand…