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Well of course the Model 3 is amazing, but my point was I would NOT spend this kind of money on a BMW or a Mercedes or any other existing luxury car. I am not a

by SEJeff 7y ago

Well of course the Model 3 is amazing, but my point was I would NOT spend this kind of money on a BMW or a Mercedes or any other existing luxury car. I am not a luxury car owner and never planned on being. I saw the idea of what Tesla is going for and want to see the future Musk and his cult of personality are trying to build. Self driving cars sound cool, but they lead to all kinds of interesting societal changes. My cousin was killed by a drunk driver. Self driving cars means less drunk drivers. My father had a seizure while he was driving and almost died in the resultant wreck. I'm not saying he (Musk) will necessarily meet all of his goals, but if he hits even 1/2 of them, it is the future I want to live in. I purchased the Tesla to help him make it so. I jokingly have been comparing the Model 3 to an A10 Warthog. The A10 Warthog (famously) is literally a plane built around a really big gun. The gun is the primary focus of A10 designers and it shows. When it comes to a Tesla, it is a computer with amazing batteries that happens to live in a car. It isn't like any existing car on the market, because primarily, it is a computer. This is really exciting, and very different.

hartator 7y ago
> it is a computer with amazing batteries that happens to live in a car hum pretty sure the value of your Tesla will drop to zero if it can’t drive anymore. What are you talking about?
- ncallaway 7y ago
  I don't see how this comment ties to the parent comment in any way? What part of their comment are you referring to?
  - hartator 7y ago
    Like how the Tesla is an amazing computer? Besides the ML chip.
    - SEJeff 7y ago
      You fundamentally didn't understand my comment. Like the A10 being a gun with a plane built around it, Tesla vehicles are computers with amazing batteries and a car built around them. My Model 3 didn't have an alarm system or dashcam when I purchased it in November of 2018. I got that later as an OTA update. How many vehicles can do things like that even today in 2019? Precious few that aren't Teslas, mainly due to dealer network legalese. They wanted us to bring our Ford Fiesta into the dealer for them to load a new version of Sync on it via a thumbdrive. Such silliness.
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      - InTheArena 7y ago
        I was telling my family this yesterday. This is the first car I have ever owned where it is unquestionably a better car a year later then when I purchased it.
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zippergz 7y ago
This is the thing that always drives cognitive dissonance for me. Computer professionals know how buggy and unreliable computers are more than anyone else in the world, so why would we want to actually drive a computer and put our (and others') lives in the hands of software to this degree? "It's a computer" is always my explanation for what I DON'T like about Tesla.
- InTheArena 7y ago
  The problem with this point of view is that people drive incredibly poorly. I went back and hit my dashcam over the last week, and there were _5_ illegal actions, two of which could have resulted in potentially fatal outcomes if one more thing went wrong. Yes, software is limited. So are people, so I choose to combine both systems for safety. I use autopilot, but my hands stick on the wheel. I spend much more time on total awareness as opposed to just what is immediately in front of me. Compare the Tesla's system to the current flawed system, not a utopian system where people don't make any mistakes.
  - kwhitefoot 7y ago
    What I always tell everyone is that the car and I together driver better than either of us on our own.
- ensignavenger 7y ago
  Because we know how buggy (imperfect) and unreliable human being are, and we are more concerned about other human drivers than we are about computer drivers.
- xeromal 7y ago
  Humans are just as buggy, they're just buggy in ways you're comfortable with. I can almost say with certainty that a tesla will never rearend another car while self driving while texting humans do it often. A tesla on the other hand will see a half painted line and veer into a concrete barrier while a human probably won't. They both have their risks so it's whatever you're comfortable with. I ride a motorcycle in los angeles and own a tesla model 3 so I have a pretty good feel for how drivers behave and I've been equally pissed off at both drivers. haha. I will say that the Model 3 is definitely an amazing car by what it does already. Last night I had it pick me up in front of my grocery store and I loaded the trunk and took off. It honestly makes me giddy what it can do now considering the flaws.

by SEJeff 7y ago

hartator 7y ago

> it is a computer with amazing batteries that happens to live in a car hum pretty sure the value of your Tesla will drop to zero if it can’t drive anymore. What are you talking about?

ncallaway 7y ago
I don't see how this comment ties to the parent comment in any way? What part of their comment are you referring to?
- hartator 7y ago
  Like how the Tesla is an amazing computer? Besides the ML chip.
  - SEJeff 7y ago
    You fundamentally didn't understand my comment. Like the A10 being a gun with a plane built around it, Tesla vehicles are computers with amazing batteries and a car built around them. My Model 3 didn't have an alarm system or dashcam when I purchased it in November of 2018. I got that later as an OTA update. How many vehicles can do things like that even today in 2019? Precious few that aren't Teslas, mainly due to dealer network legalese. They wanted us to bring our Ford Fiesta into the dealer for them to load a new version of Sync on it via a thumbdrive. Such silliness.
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    - InTheArena 7y ago
      I was telling my family this yesterday. This is the first car I have ever owned where it is unquestionably a better car a year later then when I purchased it.
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zippergz 7y ago

This is the thing that always drives cognitive dissonance for me. Computer professionals know how buggy and unreliable computers are more than anyone else in the world, so why would we want to actually drive a computer and put our (and others') lives in the hands of software to this degree? "It's a computer" is always my explanation for what I DON'T like about Tesla.

InTheArena 7y ago
The problem with this point of view is that people drive incredibly poorly. I went back and hit my dashcam over the last week, and there were _5_ illegal actions, two of which could have resulted in potentially fatal outcomes if one more thing went wrong. Yes, software is limited. So are people, so I choose to combine both systems for safety. I use autopilot, but my hands stick on the wheel. I spend much more time on total awareness as opposed to just what is immediately in front of me. Compare the Tesla's system to the current flawed system, not a utopian system where people don't make any mistakes.
- kwhitefoot 7y ago
  What I always tell everyone is that the car and I together driver better than either of us on our own.
ensignavenger 7y ago
Because we know how buggy (imperfect) and unreliable human being are, and we are more concerned about other human drivers than we are about computer drivers.
xeromal 7y ago
Humans are just as buggy, they're just buggy in ways you're comfortable with. I can almost say with certainty that a tesla will never rearend another car while self driving while texting humans do it often. A tesla on the other hand will see a half painted line and veer into a concrete barrier while a human probably won't. They both have their risks so it's whatever you're comfortable with. I ride a motorcycle in los angeles and own a tesla model 3 so I have a pretty good feel for how drivers behave and I've been equally pissed off at both drivers. haha. I will say that the Model 3 is definitely an amazing car by what it does already. Last night I had it pick me up in front of my grocery store and I loaded the trunk and took off. It honestly makes me giddy what it can do now considering the flaws.