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You are just counting literally the time the first person starts talking till the last person ends, and even then its going to be closer to 10 minutes. If you

by vfc1 7y ago

You are just counting literally the time the first person starts talking till the last person ends, and even then its going to be closer to 10 minutes. If you add up the time people have stopped working while waiting for the meeting, the time you take to gather people to a room, wait for the last one to arrive, start, go back, it's been 20 minutes total, and when standups derail and people start talking a lot it goes over half an hour. You need to count the total overhead time. I mean come on, 10 minutes before the standup you are not really working full steam, right? You know you are about to have a meeting, so you are chatting with colleagues and checking email instead of working on your main tasks. That time should count too.

BigJono 7y ago
It's not even about the time, either. I do my best work in the morning. Almost every morning on my last project went like this: Get into work, grab a glass of water, bring up my todo list, start polishing off the first item, make 5 minutes of really good progress and the bam, standup. The comparison isn't between the benefits of a good standup and nothing, it's between a good standup and whatever productivity you lost by interrupting the entire team (same as any meeting). You need to make sure it's worth it.
jonbronson 7y ago
What? Every engineering team I've been on has done standups at their office/desk/bullpen. It literally takes exactly the amount of time of talking. Then we sit back down and resume work. You don't have to make it a full blown meeting. In fact, you shouldn't.
zamalek 7y ago
> 10 minutes before the standup you are not really working full steam, right? Some colleagues don't 'work' at all between getting to work and standup (opting for soft tasks like email). Wasting 15 minutes for 5 people a day costs the company almost 6 man-weeks a year, or really a week per person. Providing that week as PTO/leave would probably result in tangible productivity improvements.

by vfc1 7y ago

BigJono 7y ago

It's not even about the time, either. I do my best work in the morning. Almost every morning on my last project went like this: Get into work, grab a glass of water, bring up my todo list, start polishing off the first item, make 5 minutes of really good progress and the bam, standup. The comparison isn't between the benefits of a good standup and nothing, it's between a good standup and whatever productivity you lost by interrupting the entire team (same as any meeting). You need to make sure it's worth it.

jonbronson 7y ago

What? Every engineering team I've been on has done standups at their office/desk/bullpen. It literally takes exactly the amount of time of talking. Then we sit back down and resume work. You don't have to make it a full blown meeting. In fact, you shouldn't.

zamalek 7y ago

> 10 minutes before the standup you are not really working full steam, right? Some colleagues don't 'work' at all between getting to work and standup (opting for soft tasks like email). Wasting 15 minutes for 5 people a day costs the company almost 6 man-weeks a year, or really a week per person. Providing that week as PTO/leave would probably result in tangible productivity improvements.