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> They have claimed there are 2 systems, yet they kidnap people in HK. They kidnapped one person, as far as I know. I agree they crossed the line there, and t

> They have claimed there are 2 systems, yet they kidnap people in HK. They kidnapped one person, as far as I know. I agree they crossed the line there, and there's no excuse for that. But that's an exception, not the norm. > They have said they were not behind the Extradition Law, and yet they force our government's hand. Where's the evidence they are behind that? How are they forcing the HK government's hand? > They have said HKers have freedom, and yet they call us terrorists and cockroaches for exercising it. You have the freedom to peaceful demonstrations an protests, not violence or destruction. And the CCP most certainly did not call you cockroaches, some angry mainlanders maybe, but not the CCP. (EDIT: downvoters, please use the truth to argue your side, instead of downvoting me to try to suppress it.)

bnanapubc12323 7y ago
> One person, as far as I know. I agree they crossed the line there, and there's no excuse for that. But that's an exception, not the norm. This has got to be the most screwed up comment I have read on this matter. So you are admitting the Communist government does not care for the laws of Hong Kong.
missosoup 7y ago
> They kidnapped one person, as far as I know. You don't know much, which is why you're being downvoted. The extradition law that sparked these protests was a formalisation/legalisation of a decade long string of kidnappings with increasing frequency and visibility. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearan... https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/kidnap-03012019112417.html https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/kidnap-03012019112417... https://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2141462/chinese-tycoon-xiao-jianhua-missing-15-months-vanishing-hong-kong https://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2141462/chin...
- UIZealot 7y ago
  Thanks for filling in the information. So there're two confirmed cases, and an alleged failed kidnap attempt. But these are still exceptional cases, the vast majority of HK people have no reason to fear the same fate. > The extradition law that sparked these protests was a formalisation/legalisation of a decade long string of kidnappings with increasing frequency and visibility. Where are the reports to back up this "a decade long string of kidnappings"? Or are there just the same three cases? Where's the evidence China was behind the extradition law? In any case, the extradition law has been officially (announced to be) withdrawn. Stop using it to justify the continuing and escalating violence and destruction.
  - missosoup 7y ago
    You are discarding the kidnapping of five HK nationals from HK which alone would be enough to spark a major international incident anywhere else. You were given the evidence that you asked for and your only response is to ask for more of the same and double down on your viewpoint despite it being contradicted by the information you were just given. Would you reconsider your viewpoint even if you were given an entire essay detailing everything you just asked for? If you can honestly say yes, I'll consider it. But I have a feeling there isn't enough evidence in the world for you. I can't reconcile your comments with conscionable good-faith behaviour that's commonplace on HN.
    - UIZealot 7y ago
      I counted three, now you're telling there are five. But I believe you. I didn't discard anything, I never said kidnappings are OK. Neither are your violence and destruction. Stop justifying your own evil with China's.
dragonsngoblins 7y ago
> "They kidnapped one person, as far as I know. I agree they crossed the line there, and there's no excuse for that. But that's an exception, not the norm." Well surely one is enough to be angry about
- UIZealot 7y ago
  Yes. Let's be angry about it, let's protest peacefully, let's demand answers, let's demand their return. But let's not use the kidnappings as an excuse for violence and destruction.

bnanapubc12323 7y ago

> One person, as far as I know. I agree they crossed the line there, and there's no excuse for that. But that's an exception, not the norm. This has got to be the most screwed up comment I have read on this matter. So you are admitting the Communist government does not care for the laws of Hong Kong.

missosoup 7y ago

> They kidnapped one person, as far as I know. You don't know much, which is why you're being downvoted. The extradition law that sparked these protests was a formalisation/legalisation of a decade long string of kidnappings with increasing frequency and visibility. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearan... https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/kidnap-03012019112417.html https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/kidnap-03012019112417... https://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2141462/chinese-tycoon-xiao-jianhua-missing-15-months-vanishing-hong-kong https://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2141462/chin...

UIZealot 7y ago
Thanks for filling in the information. So there're two confirmed cases, and an alleged failed kidnap attempt. But these are still exceptional cases, the vast majority of HK people have no reason to fear the same fate. > The extradition law that sparked these protests was a formalisation/legalisation of a decade long string of kidnappings with increasing frequency and visibility. Where are the reports to back up this "a decade long string of kidnappings"? Or are there just the same three cases? Where's the evidence China was behind the extradition law? In any case, the extradition law has been officially (announced to be) withdrawn. Stop using it to justify the continuing and escalating violence and destruction.
- missosoup 7y ago
  You are discarding the kidnapping of five HK nationals from HK which alone would be enough to spark a major international incident anywhere else. You were given the evidence that you asked for and your only response is to ask for more of the same and double down on your viewpoint despite it being contradicted by the information you were just given. Would you reconsider your viewpoint even if you were given an entire essay detailing everything you just asked for? If you can honestly say yes, I'll consider it. But I have a feeling there isn't enough evidence in the world for you. I can't reconcile your comments with conscionable good-faith behaviour that's commonplace on HN.
  - UIZealot 7y ago
    I counted three, now you're telling there are five. But I believe you. I didn't discard anything, I never said kidnappings are OK. Neither are your violence and destruction. Stop justifying your own evil with China's.

dragonsngoblins 7y ago

> "They kidnapped one person, as far as I know. I agree they crossed the line there, and there's no excuse for that. But that's an exception, not the norm." Well surely one is enough to be angry about

UIZealot 7y ago
Yes. Let's be angry about it, let's protest peacefully, let's demand answers, let's demand their return. But let's not use the kidnappings as an excuse for violence and destruction.