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> Grosser also points out that unlike Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, and Facebook, TikTok prevents users from keeping track of the time by covering the clock dis
by imgabe 7y ago
> Grosser also points out that unlike Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, and Facebook, TikTok prevents users from keeping track of the time by covering the clock displayed at the top of their iPhones.
Oh, just like how casinos don't have any clocks or windows. I guess it's a step towards social media admitting that it's just there to milk users without providing anything of value in the same way a slot machine does.
- SmellyGeekBoy 7y agoI don't gamble or particularly use social media, but surely these things provide entertainment? Or does that have no value?
- cjslep 7y agoYou're ignring the other half of the "balance equation". For example, "providing entertainment to someone who is gambling with a set-aside specific amount of money they can afford to lose" and "providing entertainment to someone who is addicted to gambling and will lose money needed for housing and food". Sure, both provide some positive value, but that's ignoring the negative side of the balance equation. That makes it where one is net positive on someone's life and the other is net negative on someone's life.
- kdmccormick 7y agoThat's a philosophical question, and I think most agree that for their personal definiton of "value", it depends on the type of entertainment. To build on the slot machine analogy, do you think an RNG that occasionally gives you money (but generally takes it) in a windowless, clockless room has value? And is that value worth the issues caused by them? Does the answer differ for social media? I don't know the answer, but I think they're questions worth asking.
- monkeynotes 7y agoDepends on the person in the Casino. Some people go in, feed the slots a couple of times for the thrill of what could be and then they move on somewhat entertained by the experience. Other people get addicted to that thrill and their lives suffer as a result. Same goes for many things in life, not just casinos. It isn't simple.
- JoeAltmaier 7y agoThat may be disingenuous. Casinos rely almost entirely upon the latter category of patrons for continued existance. It matters what the demographic is. Something about the instigator's intent can be discerned from that.
- georgyo 7y agoI think the point of the parent and in general that the casino is catered to make the addicts have even less control, stay longer, and have no concept if they been there two hours or two days.
- spoovy 7y agoI see quite clearly that these kinds of apps cause/contribute to many well-documented personal and social problems but it's much harder for me to see any positive value. About the best thing I could say about them is that they make time pass more quickly, which can be useful if you're on a long flight or something. But that feels like damning with faint praise.
- puranjay 7y agoI don't know how much value this "entertainment" has. No one I know feels truly good about their social media usage. A good movie makes people walk out of theaters with a smile. Yet most of my friends who are heavy social media users treat it almost like smoking
- jedieaston 7y agoNetflix on the iPhone does the same darn thing, and its super annoying. The whole top bar is just hidden unless you swipe down the notification shade.
- lotsofpulp 7y agoI don't see that as comparable. When viewing professionally produced media, the goal would be to immerse you in the story as much as possible, so hiding everything except the media itself seems like a no brainer. One wouldn't expect a status bar on a TV or movie theater, I don't see why it's different for any other screen.
- mwyah 7y agoI think they are reading too much into what basically is a question of design, to be honest. They just want to display videos fullscreen.
- jonlucc 7y agoOn my screen (iPhone XS; iOS 13), the video is fullscreen, but the clock and battery/signal icons are both still there.
- css 7y agoThis is completely false, TikTok does not hide the clock. Here are some screenshots as proof: https://imgur.com/a/vQxzA82 https://imgur.com/a/vQxzA82
- dsjoerg 7y agoYou are 100% wrong, here is a screenshot as proof: https://i.imgur.com/aMmVAR7.png https://i.imgur.com/aMmVAR7.png EDIT: Looks like some tabs hide the clock, others don't.
- mrunseen 7y agoWhat is your phone? Maybe apps cant modify X series statusbar?
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- css 7y agoI posted screenshots of all the tabs and all of them have a clock.
- dsjoerg 7y agoI posted a screenshot of a tab where the clock was hidden.
- badwolf 7y agoWhat model iphone are you using? Maybe it's not possible to hide on "x" type phones - here's an 11-pro: https://imgur.com/UPrpSOc https://imgur.com/UPrpSOc
- jmkni 7y agoDoes Apple let you hide the clock? I would have thought it would have been rejected from the App store for doing that?
- est 7y agoI think it's (pretending) playing a video in fullscreen mode.