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Well, it is a pretty hateful way of doing things. I mean, that's how I treat people I hate; shun them, ignore them, not reply to them. So there's an argument th

Well, it is a pretty hateful way of doing things. I mean, that's how I treat people I hate; shun them, ignore them, not reply to them. So there's an argument there. I agree though. It seems to me to have more to do with aggrandizing power and influence than with hate. What better way to get rid of competitors than to bait them into behaving "bigoted"? Look at the Monica case. She never refused to use someones chosen pronoun. She was baited into admitting that she already avoids certain ways of addressing people out of kindness and politeness and a desire not to rub people the wrong way. Now she's out. This has nothing to do with bigotry, and everything to do with a group of people that want to kick everybody else off every position of power or influence.

prepend 7y ago
> I mean, that's how I treat people I hate; shun them, ignore them, not reply to them. That’s also how I treat people I completely don’t care about or am aware of. My default behavior is to ignore, that doesn’t mean I hate everyone I ignore. If I assume this about people who ignore me, I’ll probably be wrong. Should I assume Comcast is shunning me when they don’t respond? Or that they hate me? Or maybe they are just a stupid org that doesn’t care at all about me.
StevePerkins 7y ago
> "Well, it is a pretty hateful way of doing things. I mean, that's how I treat people I hate; shun them, ignore them, not reply to them." That is a striking perspective, but perhaps just reflects a generational difference? In a social media driven culture, where people grow up feeling that "attention == validation"... I suppose they could also feel that "indifference == hate" as a corollary.
- fortran77 7y ago
  I'm 56. I didn't grow up in the "Social Media" culture. But I recognize when a moderator of Mi Yodea is being attacked for seemingly contrived reasons.
fortran77 7y ago
Also, I suspect if she weren't a moderator on Mi Yodea the "woke" community would have had much less of a problem with her. (Even on HN, the politically-correct have to attack everything related to that issue.) They intentionally took action against her on the Shabbos and Rosh Hashanah when they knew she couldn't respond. If you accept the trans community's claim that misgendering is an act of violence, then if follows that this is was act of 'violence' too.
- klyrs 7y ago
  > If you accept the trans community's claim that misgendering is an act of violence... I've found that members of the cisgender community almost uniformly take offense at being misgendered. And responses from the cisgender male community often include threats of physical violence, especially when one persistently misgenders them or challenges the validity of their maleness. That said, I'm rather troubled by Monica's treatment in this situation, especially its coincidence with Shabbos/Rosy Hashanah.
  - fortran77 7y ago
    I get misgendered all the time! I go by "Ruvi" (short for Reuven) and English readers see that as a female name. So on forums I get called "she". It's never bothered me.
    - klyrs 7y ago
      > So on forums I get called "she". > > It's never bothered me. Sounds like something a woman would say. Are you sure you're a man? Note: I don't think this is an appropriate way to talk to folks -- but if your actual position is that it's totally okay to misgender everybody, then let's explore that. I've met lots of folks who claim that it's harmless, but typically it breaks down after I start treating them the way that I get treated on a near-daily basis.
      - fortran77 7y ago
        Mods!

prepend 7y ago

> I mean, that's how I treat people I hate; shun them, ignore them, not reply to them. That’s also how I treat people I completely don’t care about or am aware of. My default behavior is to ignore, that doesn’t mean I hate everyone I ignore. If I assume this about people who ignore me, I’ll probably be wrong. Should I assume Comcast is shunning me when they don’t respond? Or that they hate me? Or maybe they are just a stupid org that doesn’t care at all about me.

StevePerkins 7y ago

> "Well, it is a pretty hateful way of doing things. I mean, that's how I treat people I hate; shun them, ignore them, not reply to them." That is a striking perspective, but perhaps just reflects a generational difference? In a social media driven culture, where people grow up feeling that "attention == validation"... I suppose they could also feel that "indifference == hate" as a corollary.

fortran77 7y ago
I'm 56. I didn't grow up in the "Social Media" culture. But I recognize when a moderator of Mi Yodea is being attacked for seemingly contrived reasons.

fortran77 7y ago

Also, I suspect if she weren't a moderator on Mi Yodea the "woke" community would have had much less of a problem with her. (Even on HN, the politically-correct have to attack everything related to that issue.) They intentionally took action against her on the Shabbos and Rosh Hashanah when they knew she couldn't respond. If you accept the trans community's claim that misgendering is an act of violence, then if follows that this is was act of 'violence' too.

klyrs 7y ago
> If you accept the trans community's claim that misgendering is an act of violence... I've found that members of the cisgender community almost uniformly take offense at being misgendered. And responses from the cisgender male community often include threats of physical violence, especially when one persistently misgenders them or challenges the validity of their maleness. That said, I'm rather troubled by Monica's treatment in this situation, especially its coincidence with Shabbos/Rosy Hashanah.
- fortran77 7y ago
  I get misgendered all the time! I go by "Ruvi" (short for Reuven) and English readers see that as a female name. So on forums I get called "she". It's never bothered me.
  - klyrs 7y ago
    > So on forums I get called "she". > > It's never bothered me. Sounds like something a woman would say. Are you sure you're a man? Note: I don't think this is an appropriate way to talk to folks -- but if your actual position is that it's totally okay to misgender everybody, then let's explore that. I've met lots of folks who claim that it's harmless, but typically it breaks down after I start treating them the way that I get treated on a near-daily basis.
    - fortran77 7y ago
      Mods!