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It's better to look Year on Year (except for the iPad) Sure, but in this case the input in question is the renewed competition courtesy of Android. The natural
by ergo98 16y ago
It's better to look Year on Year (except for the iPad)
Sure, but in this case the input in question is the renewed competition courtesy of Android. The natural question everyone will have is how that impacts the iPhone.
For reference, for the same quarter over quarter of 2009, iPhone sales increased 68%.
Iphones are nearing the mid point of the yearly cycle, and I'd expect them to be relatively flatish until summertime
I wouldn't expect this at all. While we might get a sense that everyone is like us, most consumers aren't planning their purchase around Apple's update cycle. They decide they want a smartphone so they go and buy one. We all know that the smartphone market is exploding, and there is a huge untapped reserve of potential customers, so the numbers now are generally big.
Regardless, the iPad and iPod more than make it up. While everone was talking about the 300,000 Android devices activated per day, over this quarter the combined iOS devices hit a simple division rate of almost 360,000 per day. That is amazing.
- blinkingled 16y agoNot 300000 "Android devices" - 300000 Android "Phones". You are comparing Phones vs. Phones+Media Players+Tablets.
- ergo98 16y agoSure, but the Android tablet + media player market has been generally a giant bust thus far. A tonne of vapor, but very little action. I think that was a strategic failing on Google's part, as they intentionally kept criteria that crippled those markets while iOS was spreading far and wide (and that's all that really matters to a game developer).
- blinkingled 16y agoCurious - If you add the Million+ Galaxy Tabs sold and every other manufacturer that sells Android like the Archos, B&N Nook Color, Chinese Androids(ZTE, Meizu) (see here for more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Android_devices http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Android_devices ) then where does the Android vs iOS equation stand? There is no point in playing the Android vs iOS game if you include all iOS devices. The only meaningful/hard numbers available for Android are for SmartPhones - so Android SmartPhones vs. iOS SmartPhone is the only comparison you could validly make.
- rimantas 16y ago> The only meaningful/hard numbers available for Android are > for SmartPhones - so Android SmartPhones vs. iOS SmartPhone > is the only comparison you could validly make. Why so? If I am a developer and my app runs the same on iPhone and iPod touch (and probably on iPad if I took time to make it universal) then I care not only about the iPhones.
- blinkingled 16y agoSame applies for Android apps - your app will work on all Phones, Tablets, Media Players and what not with all the same caveats. So you either need to compare Android Phone to iOS Phones OR Android Phones+Media Players+Tablets with iPhones+iPod+iPad - that was the point.
- rimantas 16y agoNon iPhone devices account for more than the half of iOS devices sold if you count iPad, and ~40% if you don't. What percentage of non-phone Android devices is compared to phones?
- blinkingled 16y agoIt is not possible to know - Google maintains a number of phones per day figure that only applies to Phones that are "with Google" phones which users activate using their Google accounts. Per the Android model, if a vendor makes a phone or tablet or Media Player without involving Google (and plenty do) then Google doesn't know about how many of those are sold. So if you are comparing the 300000 number Google put out - that is only valid for SmartPhones. You can club other categories but since there are no numbers (yet) for those categories of Android devices the comparison is not apples to apples. (See below posts for more data on how it is easy to see if you include most conservative numbers for the other categories, Android easily beats iOS at this number game)
- ZeroGravitas 16y agoI think they Galaxy Tabs are already counted as a consequence of them going for the "big phone" approach before Google relaxed their requirments for the market. (They've since announced Tabs with only Wifi and an iPod Touch-alike called the Galaxy Player).
- Samuel_Michon 16y agoIn the last quarter, 375,000 iOS devices were sold a day. Are you saying 75,000 Android media players and tablets are sold a day? Otherwise, Android is still not growing as fast as iOS.
- blinkingled 16y agoIf you are talking iOS devices then adding all of the Android ones here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Android_devices http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Android_devices will give you an idea that it is easily possible to come out more than 75000 a day, although hard numbers for many of those devices are not available as Google doesn't activate them or doesn't count them in their "Phone" numbers as they are not phones.
- Samuel_Michon 16y ago// No, I don't think there are 22.5m Android media players and tablets sold a month. Samsung recently announced that Galaxy Tab, the most popular Android tablet, hit the 1 million mark. [1] Sales of Android devices by Archos, Meizu and B&N -- even when combined -- are flat-out negligible compared to Apple's sales volume. I'd be surprised if there are more than 5 million non-phone Android devices sold a month. Also keep in mind that the "300,000 Android phone activations a day" is not at all verified, let alone that it applies to the present. Even if the figure was correct, it may well have pertained to a peak during the holiday season. [1] http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9199678/Update_Galaxy_Tab_sales_hit_1M_mark http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9199678/Update_Galaxy... EDIT: My math was off. 30*75k=2.25m, not 22.5m. So yes, I have to agree, there may be non-phone Android sales of over 75k a day.
- blinkingled 16y ago22.5M? where 1M=1000000? 5M per month = 150000 per day by my late night calculations :)
- Samuel_Michon 16y ago