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There's nothing wrong in what you've said, but it doesn't help with the other side of the argument, which is catching child abusers/terrorists/baddies. The big

There's nothing wrong in what you've said, but it doesn't help with the other side of the argument, which is catching child abusers/terrorists/baddies. The biggest problem (and my understanding is that it's much more widespread than the others we hear about) is the sharing of child abuse imagery. I think these governments and the EFF are both being willfully blind asses here. Governments don't see that their people don't trust them to have sound morals (because of their shitty morals) and the EFF is so laser-focused on privacy that it wants to wave it's hand about child abuse as the lesser of two evils. Someone needs to come up with a system that doesn't offer shelter to paedophiles, soon, or their going to lose the argument in the eyes of the public (and then legislatively). I don't think it's possible to do both of these things, so I think we're ultimately going to lose the argument. Would be nice to be surprised though!

bayesian_horse 7y ago
I think you are right about the problems with the EFF arguments and the issues of providing easy shelter to criminals such as traffickers of child pornography (and many other, less emotional offenses). I'm not for legislation against end-to-end encryption. But Facebook does have to answer those questions about its policy. They will also have to answer for cases, where predators go free because the texts to their victims can't be recovered... No easy answers here!
headmelted 7y ago
I get the downvotes, but this gets ignored at our collective peril. E2E encryption, for all it's many benefits, does allow bad people to do bad things with impunity. Turning a blind eye to that because we want the privacy benefits isn't going to fly forever, and the solution that non-tech-savvy legislators will come up with if nothing is done will invariably be much, much worse than anything we can think of.

bayesian_horse 7y ago

I think you are right about the problems with the EFF arguments and the issues of providing easy shelter to criminals such as traffickers of child pornography (and many other, less emotional offenses). I'm not for legislation against end-to-end encryption. But Facebook does have to answer those questions about its policy. They will also have to answer for cases, where predators go free because the texts to their victims can't be recovered... No easy answers here!

headmelted 7y ago

I get the downvotes, but this gets ignored at our collective peril. E2E encryption, for all it's many benefits, does allow bad people to do bad things with impunity. Turning a blind eye to that because we want the privacy benefits isn't going to fly forever, and the solution that non-tech-savvy legislators will come up with if nothing is done will invariably be much, much worse than anything we can think of.