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As someone who answers quite a few quesitons on SO I'd really like to see posts that were perceived as wrongfully closed to see if I agree (haha) and also to se
by greggman2 7y ago
As someone who answers quite a few quesitons on SO I'd really like to see posts that were perceived as wrongfully closed to see if I agree (haha) and also to see how to fix the system.
Of course I have no hope that S.O. will change anything. When they started their "be nice" campaign I suggested the "CLOSED: This is a duplicate" message should be changed to "CONGRATS: This appears to be a duplicates so you win! There is already an answer [here]!"
In any case there are rules. One is "post the code you're having trouble with in the question, not a link offsite." The offsite link is useless if the code changes there or the offsite site goes offline. Some not insignificant percent of the time the question will just have a link to offsite code. I'll leave a comment saying effectively, "please add the code to the question" and then I vote to close, reason "missing code". The person never adds the code. Are they like you claiming S.O. is rude and unreasonable? Did they get their answer somewhere else and never come back to follow up? I have no idea.
Actually the rule is even more specific. "Make a minimal repo and post it the question itself". Almost no one makes a remotely minimal repo which is fine, but in general lots of people fail at the "repo" part period. In order to help them we'd need to download code, setup dev environments, make up test data, etc...."
What I do know is I often spend 30 to 240 minutes writing working examples for a single answer. I do that volunteerily for reasonable questions. When someone barfs out a "give me teh codez" question it can be very angering. They're basically asking for free labor. If that's not rude I don't know what is.
Here's a recent "give me free labor" question
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58206647/removing-the-background-on-this-webgl-animation https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58206647/removing-the-ba...
Here's a recent "teach me an entire CS course" question
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58165198/how-to-process-model-data-in-unit8array-in-webgl https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58165198/how-to-process-...
And here's an answer I spent over 150 minutes on, trying to understand their code, trying to make a working sample, running into bugs, when I looked up 2.5 hours had passed.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58101753/drawing-a-torus-in-webgl https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58101753/drawing-a-torus...
And another more typical 30 minutes on this one
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58111380/in-webgl-the-perspective-cameras-are-added-to-the-canvas-or-to-the-3d-model-its https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58111380/in-webgl-the-pe...
note I'm not trying to brag. I hear your complaint often. I just don't run into it myself. Instead I see lots of volunteers answering questions and only voting to close the bad ones and they are bad ones.
- corobo 7y ago> I see lots of volunteers answering questions and only voting to close the bad ones and they are bad ones. Before answering questions in future give them a bit of a Googling. Find the ones someone like yourself didnt spend time on, the ones that instantly got closed as off topic or duplicate or moderator was grumpy today so closed. I get it, wealth of free information and that, sure. But these are the top results in Google. The top results, not a /new queue where you’re hiding. The pages that someone having this problem will visit. From the visitor’s point of view, SO is a cesspool of power tripping mods who love to close questions. The solution? SO should noindex closed questions and add canonical links for duplicates. Simple enough, tell the damn search engines things are closed/redirected as well as the user. It would improve the end user experience infinitely to stop arriving on what they perceive as unnecessarily closed questions.
- greggman2 7y agoisn't that what a closed as duplicate question does ? it has a link to the answer. noindex doesn't help. we don't know how to word all questions so leaving the duplicate question indexable gives search more chances to connect a questioner with an existing answer
- corobo 7y agoIn theory yes, in reality it just serves to surface the duplicates that aren’t duplicates of the question at all. In the absolute ideal these questions would be answered instead of closed as dupe but right now it just means following a trail of dupes and closures to maybe find the answer before giving up and going back to the search results. Instead of that, give the user the wrong answer straight away so they can just back up one to the search to continue digging
- crooked-v 7y ago> in reality it just serves to surface the duplicates that aren’t duplicates of the question at all. Or the questions that are duplicate questions, but with an answer five years out of date that will never get updated because new people interested in the topic don't have enough magic beans to actually do anything.