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literally not the problem here more like people cant use Bob in an example and say He because "what if Bob is trans" comes up. cant even say "they" to be neutr
by anon12345690 7y ago
literally not the problem here
more like people cant use Bob in an example and say He because "what if Bob is trans" comes up. cant even say "they" to be neutral because apparently "singular they" is offensive.
this is dumb. its not a real problem for the site. the rest of us dont need to deal with all that because some people have nothing better to do.
- ShamelessC 7y agoI keep seeing this notion that the singular they is offensive. I thought its whole purpose was to be more inclusive. At what point did it become offensive and why is it considered to be offensive?
- Pfhreak 7y agoIt's not. People are having a hard time adjusting and overreacting. It's only a problem if you using singular they specifically and only for trans folk, ie singling them out.
- anon12345690 7y agothats not a problem either. you cant force people to say anything.
- PhasmaFelis 7y agoYou can't "force" people to say things, but it's still a problem when people are deliberately insulting, obviously.
- josteink 7y agoThe problem is a very small minority within the trans community assuming everything is a targeted attack when people are actually just acting naturally, living their lives. Everyone shouldn’t have to adapt to appease the 0.0001% hyper-sensitive. That’s not a reasonable proposition.
- anon12345690 7y agowhen you stop forcing people to do things then theyll be much nicer in dealing with you
- luckylion 7y agoQuite literally, Monica said she avoids singular pronouns in general, not just for any particular group or person, because she doesn't feel that singular pronouns are required to moderate a community in most cases. That was the problem that lead to firing her and starting an undercover witch hunt, with SO leaking private chat excerpts and talking to media to bash her. This isn't about singling anybody out with pronouns.
- kevhito 7y agoI was just recently at a gender-inclusivity seminar. The speaker asked everyone in the room to give their name, but specifically asked for NOT everyone to state their [preferred?] pronouns. Why not? Apparently the speaker is currently in a community were certain transgender members feel quite strongly that stating pronouns is itself problematic and hurtful. For those of us not quite up to date on social movements, and for slow-moving organizations, this is obviously tricky to navigate. My workplace is just starting to encourage everyone to state their "preferred pronouns" prominently when introducing themselves and on all correspondence (e.g. in email signatures), and to avoid gendered pronouns when possible in many situations or at least use "singular they" (e.g. in abstract examples or documentation). Last week I thought that was quite progressive. This week I have learned that "preferred pronouns" is no longer an acceptable phrase, that "singular they" is offensive to some, that avoiding pronouns itself is problematic (at least in SE's CoC, apparently), and that asking someone to give pronouns is problematic and hurtful to some. I don't know where that leaves me or my workplace.
- anon12345690 7y agothis is the problem cause 99.9% of us know how to get along just fine without these weird pronoun rules theyre literally making EVERYONE work harder and waste time to not offend a single person who probably doesnt even agree with these rules
- test1235 7y agothis article was posted here a while back: https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15 https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict... I thought it was quite interesting.
- mcv 7y agoJust do the best you can, try to be respectful of everybody, and be understanding when someone is not unhappy or offended. It's not something that needs to be a fight.
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- anon12345690 7y agonone of the pronouns are offensive and we use the ones that fit 99% of the time but they is fine if you really want to be neutral its only offensive if you listen to the 1 in a million people who want to make a big deal and control everyone elses speech
- zimpenfish 7y ago> apparently "singular they" is offensive I think the point was that 'singular they is offensive' only when people have specifically asked for certain pronouns (ie you're blatantly disregarding people's requests)?
- anon12345690 7y agoexcept this is a code example on the site im not going to write bob and alice and then worry about "well what if these fake people in this example i made up are actually trans" lol give me a break.
- mathemagics 7y agoAgreed. If you're the author and Alice and Bob are the imaginary characters in your example, then you get to decide their gender. Same as an author who is writing a novel, is free to invent characters and assign gender, sexual orientation, and any other character traits they want. It's your story, they are your characters. You decide if it's a he, she, xe, or whatever.
- hoseja 7y agoYou certainly haven't been keeping up with Twitter culture if you think this.
- anon12345690 7y agotwitter culture is outrage culture. its a bunch of maniacs yelling at each other and they should all be ignored
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- TeMPOraL 7y agoShould, but aren't. That's the problem.
- yummybear 7y ago“Bob, a cis heteronormative middle aged white man from Seattle, wants to send a message to Alice, a bicurious housewife from Kentucky”