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> I live in rural Illinois, make close to an SF salary, enjoy my 5 min commute You are certainly a statistical outlier in multiple ways. Rural incomes rarely m

> I live in rural Illinois, make close to an SF salary, enjoy my 5 min commute You are certainly a statistical outlier in multiple ways. Rural incomes rarely match their urban counterparts. Rural commute times are less than urban but hardly 5 minutes.

souprock 7y ago
He may be an outlier, but that is only because he chose differently. He didn't get lucky beyond having the mental ability to do a high-paying (software?) career. I have about the same deal. I'm in a low-density part of Florida, enjoying my 3-minute commute to a workplace across the road from the beach. I can afford my 12 kids. If I were willing to live in a 2-bedroom house on only 0.17 acres (for about $172,000), I could pole vault to work. I prefer my 0.39 acres of course. People wanting a dozen acres have to commute about 25 minutes. Unless you live in a tiny studio apartment, income simply doesn't keep up with cost of living in the expensive areas. I don't know what income it would take to have acres of land in San Francisco, but it is something frightful that isn't generally being offered.
- chipotle_coyote 7y ago
  For a different anecdote about Florida, I grew up in Tampa. When I left in 2002, it was because finding tech jobs there that weren't based around Windows networking or AS/400s was... difficult. The market for Unix web developers wasn't entirely non-existent, but when the company I was at laid me off, the best I could do was a three-month contract. When I did have a full-time job, it was to a company in a business park. Nobody had a 3-minute commute there. I don't know if anyone who works in an office anywhere in Tampa Bay has a 3-minute commute. My mom lives in a genuinely rural part of Florida, and if I lived there, I'd either be working remotely -- giving me a zero minute commute, I guess -- or I'd be lucky if my commute was under an hour each way, because the chances of finding a tech job anywhere within a twenty-mile radius are pretty much zero.

souprock 7y ago

He may be an outlier, but that is only because he chose differently. He didn't get lucky beyond having the mental ability to do a high-paying (software?) career. I have about the same deal. I'm in a low-density part of Florida, enjoying my 3-minute commute to a workplace across the road from the beach. I can afford my 12 kids. If I were willing to live in a 2-bedroom house on only 0.17 acres (for about $172,000), I could pole vault to work. I prefer my 0.39 acres of course. People wanting a dozen acres have to commute about 25 minutes. Unless you live in a tiny studio apartment, income simply doesn't keep up with cost of living in the expensive areas. I don't know what income it would take to have acres of land in San Francisco, but it is something frightful that isn't generally being offered.

chipotle_coyote 7y ago
For a different anecdote about Florida, I grew up in Tampa. When I left in 2002, it was because finding tech jobs there that weren't based around Windows networking or AS/400s was... difficult. The market for Unix web developers wasn't entirely non-existent, but when the company I was at laid me off, the best I could do was a three-month contract. When I did have a full-time job, it was to a company in a business park. Nobody had a 3-minute commute there. I don't know if anyone who works in an office anywhere in Tampa Bay has a 3-minute commute. My mom lives in a genuinely rural part of Florida, and if I lived there, I'd either be working remotely -- giving me a zero minute commute, I guess -- or I'd be lucky if my commute was under an hour each way, because the chances of finding a tech job anywhere within a twenty-mile radius are pretty much zero.