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The PRC still largely does not manufacture or design semiconductors. RISC-V is popular in that young industry because it is credible and meets their criteria,

The PRC still largely does not manufacture or design semiconductors. RISC-V is popular in that young industry because it is credible and meets their criteria, and that value is similar elsewhere (particularly in India). > For better or worse... If the world would let the PRC gain a lead in semiconductors, it would be an unequivocal moral failure; I say this with great personal warmth for Chinese people. The world is a more grotesque and unfree place with every gain of the CCP.

lnsru 7y ago
China has all the resources to lead in semiconductors. How can you stop this? Companies are being happily sold to Chinese investors all the time: Kuka, Putzmeister, Volvo, etc. Geely slowly takes over German carmakers: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-daimler-geely-electric/daimler-to-develop-smart-brand-together-with-geely-idUSKCN1R90NG https://www.reuters.com/article/us-daimler-geely-electric/da... Just wait couple decades...
- microcolonel 7y ago
  > Just wait couple decades... This is why I'm not just waiting, I'm getting richer, and I will continue not to do business or politics benefitting the CCP whenever possible. That's all anyone can do. You can't help but lose if you give up before starting. If things go well, I can do more, maybe go help secure trade secrets in Taiwan, or document CCP controlled forign land and infrastructure purchases; if not, at least I don't see a coward in the mirror.
  - rusk 7y ago
    As quixotic as this all may sound, I genuinely appreciate this kind of candour about motivation. It's quite rare, more often to see these kinds of actions justified in terms of specious economic or technical arguments. It's as if people have become afraid of admitting that personal morality drives some of their decisions.
    - microcolonel 7y ago
      > It's as if people have become afraid of admitting that personal morality drives some of their decisions. I think the fear is a bit justified. Admitting that you have moral principles means that people can hold you to them, and in fact that you will be held to them, as nobody is perfect. People with no moral principles can't be held to account, since they don't participate in morality! :- )
      - rusk 7y ago
        Yeah, it's just a pity though, because while individual efforts are laudable, they are insignificant unless coordinated as a part of a whole, so without this kind of honest public discourse it's hard to feel how we can get anywhere.
- hwj 7y ago
  Are there western companies that do well after being bought by Chinese? (Real question, because I'm only aware of the opposite).
  - lnsru 7y ago
    Putzmeister (concrete pumps) is doing well. There is an article in German: https://m.dw.com/de/sany-und-putzmeister-eine-perfekte-ehe/a-42799320 https://m.dw.com/de/sany-und-putzmeister-eine-perfekte-ehe/a... I heard the same from locals living in the village with Putzmeister headquarters. Chinese investor let the company operate as it did before acquisition. Kuka is doing not that good: https://m.dw.com/en/changes-at-german-robotics-firm-kuka-raise-questions-over-chinese-intentions/a-46456133 https://m.dw.com/en/changes-at-german-robotics-firm-kuka-rai... But I am not sure if Chinese investor is the problem. Kuka had often problems in the past. It’s not enough statistical data for serious conclusions, but I assume that these investors are trying to buy more companies in foreign countries and not to scare locals.
    - hwj 7y ago
      Thanks. I heard about Kuka having problems and wondered if that applies to other now-Chinese companies as well.
rwmj 7y ago
> The PRC still largely does not manufacture or design semiconductors. This is thoroughly wrong. China has a large number of fabless design places which have been going for years, and is now starting to get into manufacturing in a big way. Lately it's been driven by the trade war (so that worked well ...)

lnsru 7y ago

China has all the resources to lead in semiconductors. How can you stop this? Companies are being happily sold to Chinese investors all the time: Kuka, Putzmeister, Volvo, etc. Geely slowly takes over German carmakers: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-daimler-geely-electric/daimler-to-develop-smart-brand-together-with-geely-idUSKCN1R90NG https://www.reuters.com/article/us-daimler-geely-electric/da... Just wait couple decades...

microcolonel 7y ago
> Just wait couple decades... This is why I'm not just waiting, I'm getting richer, and I will continue not to do business or politics benefitting the CCP whenever possible. That's all anyone can do. You can't help but lose if you give up before starting. If things go well, I can do more, maybe go help secure trade secrets in Taiwan, or document CCP controlled forign land and infrastructure purchases; if not, at least I don't see a coward in the mirror.
- rusk 7y ago
  As quixotic as this all may sound, I genuinely appreciate this kind of candour about motivation. It's quite rare, more often to see these kinds of actions justified in terms of specious economic or technical arguments. It's as if people have become afraid of admitting that personal morality drives some of their decisions.
  - microcolonel 7y ago
    > It's as if people have become afraid of admitting that personal morality drives some of their decisions. I think the fear is a bit justified. Admitting that you have moral principles means that people can hold you to them, and in fact that you will be held to them, as nobody is perfect. People with no moral principles can't be held to account, since they don't participate in morality! :- )
    - rusk 7y ago
      Yeah, it's just a pity though, because while individual efforts are laudable, they are insignificant unless coordinated as a part of a whole, so without this kind of honest public discourse it's hard to feel how we can get anywhere.
hwj 7y ago
Are there western companies that do well after being bought by Chinese? (Real question, because I'm only aware of the opposite).
- lnsru 7y ago
  Putzmeister (concrete pumps) is doing well. There is an article in German: https://m.dw.com/de/sany-und-putzmeister-eine-perfekte-ehe/a-42799320 https://m.dw.com/de/sany-und-putzmeister-eine-perfekte-ehe/a... I heard the same from locals living in the village with Putzmeister headquarters. Chinese investor let the company operate as it did before acquisition. Kuka is doing not that good: https://m.dw.com/en/changes-at-german-robotics-firm-kuka-raise-questions-over-chinese-intentions/a-46456133 https://m.dw.com/en/changes-at-german-robotics-firm-kuka-rai... But I am not sure if Chinese investor is the problem. Kuka had often problems in the past. It’s not enough statistical data for serious conclusions, but I assume that these investors are trying to buy more companies in foreign countries and not to scare locals.
  - hwj 7y ago
    Thanks. I heard about Kuka having problems and wondered if that applies to other now-Chinese companies as well.

rwmj 7y ago

> The PRC still largely does not manufacture or design semiconductors. This is thoroughly wrong. China has a large number of fabless design places which have been going for years, and is now starting to get into manufacturing in a big way. Lately it's been driven by the trade war (so that worked well ...)