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I welcome you to enlighten me. Unless you're going to suggest that all Slavic people are homophobic (as many Westerners seem to believe), in which case you'd be

I welcome you to enlighten me. Unless you're going to suggest that all Slavic people are homophobic (as many Westerners seem to believe), in which case you'd be dead wrong.

alkonaut 7y ago
I meant for example in Russia. The reason they aren't bickering much about pronouns there is because gays are happy to survive a parade at all. I'm going to not argue that all Slavic people are homophobic (that would be completely impossible to back up with facts). A more reasonable claim would be perhaps that people in Slavic countries today are more homophobic on average than e.g. an OECD or EU average. Not sure if such surveys exist, however - so that would have to be a guess and subjective at this point. E.g.: "The worst countries to be gay" (Italy + Eastern europe) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-15-worst-countries-to-be-gay-in-europe-azerbaijan-russia-armenia-a7024416.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-15-worst... https://www.dw.com/en/homophobia-in-poland-still-deeply-entrenched/a-49720087 https://www.dw.com/en/homophobia-in-poland-still-deeply-entr... On the other hand: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/04/debunking-stereotypes-poles-are-homophobic https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/04/debunking-ster...
- yakshaving_jgt 7y ago
  Right. From the article: > Among the general population, the general attitude to homosexuality is: do what you like, just not in public. Having an intimate connection with Slavic culture, I can agree to this being the prevalent social sentiment.
  - alkonaut 7y ago
    The opinion that people should try to be gay "in private" (if they absolutely have to be gay) is of course extremely homophobic, and is exactly my point. If e.g. kissing in public risks you a punch, or if gay marriage isn't recognized etc - that's a sign that a country (or city) is homophobic.
    - yakshaving_jgt 7y ago
      Kissing in public in Poland generally doesn't risk you a punch. I don't know where you're getting that, though I understand it's a pretty common — though completely misguided — Western view. My local gay club is quite peaceful (though inside they all have a grand ol' time — it's by far one of the rowdiest gay clubs I've been to). In Slavic countries generally, who you have sex with is your own business. It's private. Nobody wants to know.

I welcome you to enlighten me. Unless you're going to suggest that all Slavic people are homophobic (as many Westerners seem to believe), in which case you'd be dead wrong.

alkonaut 7y ago

I meant for example in Russia. The reason they aren't bickering much about pronouns there is because gays are happy to survive a parade at all. I'm going to not argue that all Slavic people are homophobic (that would be completely impossible to back up with facts). A more reasonable claim would be perhaps that people in Slavic countries today are more homophobic on average than e.g. an OECD or EU average. Not sure if such surveys exist, however - so that would have to be a guess and subjective at this point. E.g.: "The worst countries to be gay" (Italy + Eastern europe) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-15-worst-countries-to-be-gay-in-europe-azerbaijan-russia-armenia-a7024416.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-15-worst... https://www.dw.com/en/homophobia-in-poland-still-deeply-entrenched/a-49720087 https://www.dw.com/en/homophobia-in-poland-still-deeply-entr... On the other hand: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/04/debunking-stereotypes-poles-are-homophobic https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/04/debunking-ster...

yakshaving_jgt 7y ago
Right. From the article: > Among the general population, the general attitude to homosexuality is: do what you like, just not in public. Having an intimate connection with Slavic culture, I can agree to this being the prevalent social sentiment.
- alkonaut 7y ago
  The opinion that people should try to be gay "in private" (if they absolutely have to be gay) is of course extremely homophobic, and is exactly my point. If e.g. kissing in public risks you a punch, or if gay marriage isn't recognized etc - that's a sign that a country (or city) is homophobic.
  - yakshaving_jgt 7y ago
    Kissing in public in Poland generally doesn't risk you a punch. I don't know where you're getting that, though I understand it's a pretty common — though completely misguided — Western view. My local gay club is quite peaceful (though inside they all have a grand ol' time — it's by far one of the rowdiest gay clubs I've been to). In Slavic countries generally, who you have sex with is your own business. It's private. Nobody wants to know.