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> People should never forget how the car industry lobbied so that cars own most of the street. Please stop with the conspiracy stories. I hate cars more than a
by momokoko 7y ago
> People should never forget how the car industry lobbied so that cars own most of the street.
Please stop with the conspiracy stories. I hate cars more than anyone, but all this "Big Auto" stuff just discredits the entire thing as a bunch of fanatics.
- dhhdhdsbdb 7y agoThere is a documented history of this kind of thing. See https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history
- momokoko 7y agoThat is a vox article. It's fun to read and gets a lot of shares on social media. But it wildly exaggerates reality and wildly downplays that massive demand and growth in car ownership during that period. The idea that everyone hated cars and the evil car lobby came in and forced it upon them is flat out incorrect.
- smt88 7y agoI don't see the article claiming people hated cars. What the auto industry accomplished was to push the government to favor cars to the eventual exclusion of almost every other form of transit. Even if people didn't hate cars, this still wasn't a fair fight in an open market. It was an industry co-opting consumer and voter power.
- yazboo 7y ago> The idea that everyone hated cars and the evil car lobby came in and forced it upon them is flat out incorrect. This idea is not present in the article and is a wild exaggeration of your own.
- petersellers 7y agoYou'll probably convince more people by citing evidence to support your claims instead of using ad homs.
- momokoko 7y agoLiterally and chart about automobile ownership from 1940 to 1980.
- MereInterest 7y agoSuch a chart would in no manner prove your point. Something can become prevalent could be because (a) it is the preferred option out of many equivalent and equally available options or (b) it is the chosen option due to having been given preferentially treatment. Given that your time period contains Eisenhower's expansion of the federal highway system, option (b) is the more reasonable interpretation.
- drewcoo 7y agoClaiming that people like Henry Ford sought to make his product ubiquitous is a conspiracy theory? Henry Ford, publisher of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Amazing!
- BurningFrog 7y agoThe controversial claim is that he succeeded. To spell it out, the alternative theory is that maybe cars won fair and square. There is always lobbying in all directions. That doesn't mean it's always the decisive factor when something that was lobbied for won.
- carapace 7y agoIt's not a conspiracy story: they were quite open about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AFn7MiJz_s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AFn7MiJz_s Adam Ruins Everything - Why Jaywalking Is a Crime
- coldtea 7y agoSorry, you need to wise up to the world. Conspiracy is not just about the BS stuff regarding aliens and illuminati. It's also, and that's totally real and extremely common, big business interests, politicians, etc, working together to further their profits in covert ways, with under the table deals, bribes, trusts, price fixing, and several other ways... Ever head of "conspiracy to commit fraud"? The real courts punish tons of cases of very real conspiracies every year... Just because you've been conditioned by pop culture to associate conspiracies with aliens and illuminati and crazy people, doesn't mean actual conspiracies involving big car lobbies, big petrol, big pharma, big food, etc, don't happen every day...