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This is one of those things that you can't trust a customer to answer truthfully. You say you like it, but when Ford or similar does it, it's annoying. It's n

This is one of those things that you can't trust a customer to answer truthfully. You say you like it, but when Ford or similar does it, it's annoying. It's not that Tesla quality is good either. It's one of those things that we tell ourselves we like. I believe there isn't a correct answer, but rather our psychology decides what we like rather than true performance

zaroth 7y ago
I understand what you’re saying. Personal bias is hard to self-monitor. But on many objective measures Tesla’s touchscreen is worlds apart from any of car touchscreen. It is iPad-like responsiveness as far as touch recognition and refresh rate. I always said I would never want a GPS/Nav system in a car, because what would be the point?! Low quality maps, no decent POI, no decent user input for querying POI, bad routing, no pinch-to-zoom in a complicated intersection, slow to load, etc. My wife’s Mercedes has Nav and we used it exactly once. By contrast I always use Nav in the Tesla because I can map to Work or Home in two taps in 1 second, boom, the map routes and zooms to show the overview and I have a traffic aware route with an accurate ETA. The live traffic lets me see if traffic is slowing ahead on the highway. Often times I will slow down to the speed limit when approaching a red zone ahead on the highway. Someone behind will swerve around me and accelerate hard just to come to a screeching halt around the bend. Craziness. I think “build quality” and “materials quality” is way more subjective and harder to quantify. But the screen interface is on a different level.
- clouddrover 7y ago
  > I think “build quality” and “materials quality” is way more subjective and harder to quantify. But the screen interface is on a different level. Not really. The robustness of the screens in Teslas is particularly poor: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows-why-automotive-grade-matters https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows... Tesla didn't go with automotive grade screens which is why the screen failure rate is so high.
  - zaroth 7y ago
    This was true in the original Model S/X, because a screen that size didn’t exist in automotive grade. They resorted to using an industrial grade screen which they qualified for use in the car, but it’s had the yellowing issue. My understanding is all the new screens are tested to Grade 2 instead of Grade 4 like the original screens from Innolux. [1] - https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows-why-automotive-grade-matters https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows...
    - clouddrover 7y ago
      Where does your understanding come from? You've just listed the same link I provided.
      - zaroth 7y ago
        Oh hah, that’s funny. It says in that article they made revisions to the screen. > Tesla appeared to mostly fix this problem with its "cabin overheat protection" feature ... as well as revisions to the Innolux panel. For what it's worth, the TM3 appears to use an LG LA154WU1-SL01, but I can't find a detailed spec sheet on it.
        clouddrover 7y ago
        The article doesn't say it's now a grade 2 screen. The article does quote Mentor Graphics saying, "defining the boundary conditions for Innolux’s system is the responsibility of their customer, not Innolux." So Innolux will quite happily sell Tesla a screen, but it's up to Tesla to use it appropriately. I think your understanding is wrong.

zaroth 7y ago

I understand what you’re saying. Personal bias is hard to self-monitor. But on many objective measures Tesla’s touchscreen is worlds apart from any of car touchscreen. It is iPad-like responsiveness as far as touch recognition and refresh rate. I always said I would never want a GPS/Nav system in a car, because what would be the point?! Low quality maps, no decent POI, no decent user input for querying POI, bad routing, no pinch-to-zoom in a complicated intersection, slow to load, etc. My wife’s Mercedes has Nav and we used it exactly once. By contrast I always use Nav in the Tesla because I can map to Work or Home in two taps in 1 second, boom, the map routes and zooms to show the overview and I have a traffic aware route with an accurate ETA. The live traffic lets me see if traffic is slowing ahead on the highway. Often times I will slow down to the speed limit when approaching a red zone ahead on the highway. Someone behind will swerve around me and accelerate hard just to come to a screeching halt around the bend. Craziness. I think “build quality” and “materials quality” is way more subjective and harder to quantify. But the screen interface is on a different level.

clouddrover 7y ago
> I think “build quality” and “materials quality” is way more subjective and harder to quantify. But the screen interface is on a different level. Not really. The robustness of the screens in Teslas is particularly poor: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows-why-automotive-grade-matters https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows... Tesla didn't go with automotive grade screens which is why the screen failure rate is so high.
- zaroth 7y ago
  This was true in the original Model S/X, because a screen that size didn’t exist in automotive grade. They resorted to using an industrial grade screen which they qualified for use in the car, but it’s had the yellowing issue. My understanding is all the new screens are tested to Grade 2 instead of Grade 4 like the original screens from Innolux. [1] - https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows-why-automotive-grade-matters https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows...
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    Where does your understanding come from? You've just listed the same link I provided.
    - zaroth 7y ago
      Oh hah, that’s funny. It says in that article they made revisions to the screen. > Tesla appeared to mostly fix this problem with its "cabin overheat protection" feature ... as well as revisions to the Innolux panel. For what it's worth, the TM3 appears to use an LG LA154WU1-SL01, but I can't find a detailed spec sheet on it.
      - clouddrover 7y ago
        The article doesn't say it's now a grade 2 screen. The article does quote Mentor Graphics saying, "defining the boundary conditions for Innolux’s system is the responsibility of their customer, not Innolux." So Innolux will quite happily sell Tesla a screen, but it's up to Tesla to use it appropriately. I think your understanding is wrong.