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Yea, so the cost of electricity is 25c/kWh (NYC). 3 miles per kWh or 0.08 per mile (not including charging efficiency). City: 20 miles per gallon ($2.75/gal) o

Yea, so the cost of electricity is 25c/kWh (NYC). 3 miles per kWh or 0.08 per mile (not including charging efficiency). City: 20 miles per gallon ($2.75/gal) or 0.13 per mile Highway: 30mpg or 0.09c. Hybrid: 40mpg or 0.07c. Tesla is too expensive for a very little benefit, smaller EVs have tiny range. Hybrids would be cheaper than a Tesla.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Hybrids are being phased out (as Chevy did with the Volt).
- yumraj 7y ago
  Prius are doing just fine, so are Honda hybrids, especially plug-ins
  - mediaman 7y ago
    Prius sales have dropped off a cliff. Sales are down six years in a row. Peak sales were 236,000 in 2012, and just 87,000 last year. Part of that is that there's a lot more hybrid competition for the Prius than there used to be.
    - clouddrover 7y ago
      Toyota has sold over 10 million hybrid vehicles in the last 20 years: https://global.toyota/en/detail/14940871 https://global.toyota/en/detail/14940871 But I bet they're crying all the way to the bank.
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btbuilder 7y ago
Chevy Bolt has very workable range. ~230 EPA
ramidarigaz 7y ago
I had no idea electricity was so expensive in NYC. Also, I think 3 miles per kWh is a bit pessimistic. Lifetime average for my Model 3 is 260 Wh/mi, which works out to 3.8 mi/kWh. Given Colorado's ~$0.11/kWh, it all works out to just under $0.03/mi which looks a lot more favorable against the other options. It's still a heckin' expensive car though.
- merpnderp 7y ago
  I pay the same rate, but if I switched to peak charging rates, I can pay only $.025/kWh for most of the day. And then $.25/kWh during a few peak hours. Making a Tesla a lot cheaper to drive.
tyfon 7y ago
In Norway, I generally count about 0.2 NOK (€0.02) pr km for my model X and about 0.15 NOK/km for my Vw e-up. The same prices for dino juice in my quite efficient toyota avensis and current fuel prices was about 0.7-0.8 NOK/km. That car is now sold and will never be missed. The savings are huge, especially if you drive a lot.
woodandsteel 7y ago
>Yea, so the cost of electricity is 25c/kWh (NYC) Is that 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?
- free652 7y ago
  That's the same rate from ConEd. It's actually more like like 27c or 28c. 9c for electricity, 13c or more for delivery and rest taxes. I paid $370 for like 1350kwh last July, I switched to solar last August and that will pay itself in about 5 years. There are TOU rates, but there are from 8am to midnight.
  - davidgould 7y ago
    Charging overnight is how to take advantage of TOU rates. Fortunately electric cars support charging schedules.

toomuchtodo 7y ago

Hybrids are being phased out (as Chevy did with the Volt).

yumraj 7y ago
Prius are doing just fine, so are Honda hybrids, especially plug-ins
- mediaman 7y ago
  Prius sales have dropped off a cliff. Sales are down six years in a row. Peak sales were 236,000 in 2012, and just 87,000 last year. Part of that is that there's a lot more hybrid competition for the Prius than there used to be.
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    Toyota has sold over 10 million hybrid vehicles in the last 20 years: https://global.toyota/en/detail/14940871 https://global.toyota/en/detail/14940871 But I bet they're crying all the way to the bank.
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btbuilder 7y ago

Chevy Bolt has very workable range. ~230 EPA

ramidarigaz 7y ago

I had no idea electricity was so expensive in NYC. Also, I think 3 miles per kWh is a bit pessimistic. Lifetime average for my Model 3 is 260 Wh/mi, which works out to 3.8 mi/kWh. Given Colorado's ~$0.11/kWh, it all works out to just under $0.03/mi which looks a lot more favorable against the other options. It's still a heckin' expensive car though.

merpnderp 7y ago
I pay the same rate, but if I switched to peak charging rates, I can pay only $.025/kWh for most of the day. And then $.25/kWh during a few peak hours. Making a Tesla a lot cheaper to drive.

tyfon 7y ago

In Norway, I generally count about 0.2 NOK (€0.02) pr km for my model X and about 0.15 NOK/km for my Vw e-up. The same prices for dino juice in my quite efficient toyota avensis and current fuel prices was about 0.7-0.8 NOK/km. That car is now sold and will never be missed. The savings are huge, especially if you drive a lot.

woodandsteel 7y ago

>Yea, so the cost of electricity is 25c/kWh (NYC) Is that 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?

free652 7y ago
That's the same rate from ConEd. It's actually more like like 27c or 28c. 9c for electricity, 13c or more for delivery and rest taxes. I paid $370 for like 1350kwh last July, I switched to solar last August and that will pay itself in about 5 years. There are TOU rates, but there are from 8am to midnight.
- davidgould 7y ago
  Charging overnight is how to take advantage of TOU rates. Fortunately electric cars support charging schedules.