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Physically changing road design is the only thing that works. Handing out tickets and traffic cameras are an o.k. way for a government to make some money, but d

Physically changing road design is the only thing that works. Handing out tickets and traffic cameras are an o.k. way for a government to make some money, but does nothing to stop accidents.

nrook 7y ago
This is wrong. Speed cameras save lives. A lot of research confirms this, for example: http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/86567/1/sercdp0221.pdf http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/86567/1/sercdp0221.pdf The best way to save the lives of pedestrians and cyclists from the predation of motorists is to eliminate cars in urban areas. The second-best way is fast, sure, automated enforcement.
- blue_devil 7y ago
  >>to eliminate cars in urban areas Hope to live to see this utopia. In the meantime, I'll take it if public money is invested in traffic calming - this might deter some driving at least, and definitely will make it safer. Also serves as an indicator that the place is not "car-first".
- beerandt 7y ago
  As someone who's done this type research, it's highly cherry picked and riddled with conflicted interests. It also encourages unpredictable driver behavior, which goes against the basic principles of right-of-way. You want drivers to be as predictable as possible for the benefit of drivers around them. This is in addition to philosophical arguments against: contest/court fees that are higher than the fine for pleading guilty, The entire idea that criminal police enforcement can be contracted out, Or, if civil enforcement, the idea that speeding in-and-of-itself is a justicable suit. Ie, the idea that the city suffered damages by someone speeding, and that an arbitrary fine is the appropriate remedy. Get rid of companies collecting a rake, as well as the cities keeping the fines, and suddenly no one is fighting for the programs anymore.
javagram 7y ago
Cameras are effective but only if deployed widely enough that they aren’t a surprise or annoyance. We need red light cameras at every intersection and speed cameras on every road. Lightly deployed cameras do end up being what you say they are because people just mark them on Waze and drive carefully only in a certain area.

Physically changing road design is the only thing that works. Handing out tickets and traffic cameras are an o.k. way for a government to make some money, but does nothing to stop accidents.

nrook 7y ago

This is wrong. Speed cameras save lives. A lot of research confirms this, for example: http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/86567/1/sercdp0221.pdf http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/86567/1/sercdp0221.pdf The best way to save the lives of pedestrians and cyclists from the predation of motorists is to eliminate cars in urban areas. The second-best way is fast, sure, automated enforcement.

blue_devil 7y ago
>>to eliminate cars in urban areas Hope to live to see this utopia. In the meantime, I'll take it if public money is invested in traffic calming - this might deter some driving at least, and definitely will make it safer. Also serves as an indicator that the place is not "car-first".
beerandt 7y ago
As someone who's done this type research, it's highly cherry picked and riddled with conflicted interests. It also encourages unpredictable driver behavior, which goes against the basic principles of right-of-way. You want drivers to be as predictable as possible for the benefit of drivers around them. This is in addition to philosophical arguments against: contest/court fees that are higher than the fine for pleading guilty, The entire idea that criminal police enforcement can be contracted out, Or, if civil enforcement, the idea that speeding in-and-of-itself is a justicable suit. Ie, the idea that the city suffered damages by someone speeding, and that an arbitrary fine is the appropriate remedy. Get rid of companies collecting a rake, as well as the cities keeping the fines, and suddenly no one is fighting for the programs anymore.

javagram 7y ago

Cameras are effective but only if deployed widely enough that they aren’t a surprise or annoyance. We need red light cameras at every intersection and speed cameras on every road. Lightly deployed cameras do end up being what you say they are because people just mark them on Waze and drive carefully only in a certain area.